[miharris]

Most studies I've seen show no discernable correlation between teacher salaries and outcomes (measured by normalized scores on standardized tests, graduation rates, etc) Also, your numbers do not account for CoL differences between states.

[LEBrownwood]

If you would like to help out area teachers (especially Fruitland Park and Wildwood) there is a great website called Donors Choose where teachers can request donations for classroom needs. One teacher in Fruitland Park Elementary School actually asked for "paper" because the school district would not supply it to her! Even if everyone reading this gave $25.00, it would be a great help to those teachers and their students.

Originally Posted by jebartle

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

[rsimpson]

Originally Posted by jebartle

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

Was there a Cost of Living Adjustment in your research on this number? Also an adjustment for working 9/12th of the year? (180 days +/- vs )

[allsport]

Originally Posted by jebartle

What a shame babubhat, I'm sure you were another great teacher that has left the profession, and add mass shootings at schools, no wonder our children are drawing the short straw.

And add to it, teachers who were soldiers and have no clue how to teach being hired to pretend to teach. Thank you for ignorant people running the schools.

[Whitley]

To get anything near a comparative figure you need to convert your figure to an hourly salary. You may be surprised converting that to a per hour rate. Do you have any standardized test scores comparing the different states, and seeing if the salary has any direct correlation to test scores?

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by allsport

And add to it, teachers who were soldiers and have no clue how to teach being hired to pretend to teach. Thank you for ignorant people running the schools.

It is true that there are many less than stellar intellects running NYC schools. To call them all ignorant is unfair. It is the system that turns them off. Charter and private schools in NY obtain much better results.

[MSGirl]

Originally Posted by jebartle

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

Cost of living in NY is much higher than FL. It’s all relative

[Haines]

Yes, yes, and then they thought of giving us guns .

[Blueblaze]

Originally Posted by miharris

Most studies I've seen show no discernable correlation between teacher salaries and outcomes (measured by normalized scores on standardized tests, graduation rates, etc) Also, your numbers do not account for CoL differences between states.

Actually, the absolute worst school districts in the country tend to be the highest paid. Check out Chicago's results sometime. Meanwhile there's a district in Jacksonville that's among the highest rated in the country. My own kids went to Sapulpa,Ok schools, one of the poorest in the country. But you needed better than a 4.0 to make it into the top 10% of graduates. They got such a great education that they were both millionaires on their own efforts before they hit 30.

Maybe we'd get better results if our teachers just worked for tips.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by jebartle

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

Why not compare salaries on Wall Street to those in Wildwood?

Bet the difference would be greater.

[ThirdOfFive]

Shouldn't we be evaluating the product rather than the price we pay for it?

According to one study I read (Brett Ziegler in US News and World Report) the state of Florida ranks a glittering THIRD among all the states, just edged out in the rankings by Massachusetts and New Jersey. The criteria used is as follows: "The states were ranked on performance in higher education as well as primary and secondary schooling and pre-K education. The measures included percentages of adults with associate degrees or higher, the rates of students completing public four-year and two-year college programs within 150% of the normal time, the average tuition and fees for in-state students at public institutions and the average debt load of graduates from public and private colleges. The states also were ranked on percentages of children enrolled in preschool and compared in national testing of eighth-graders in math and reading, in rates of graduation from high school and readiness for college." I realize of course that this is one of those areas where people can manipulate numbers to make them say anything they want them to say, but the criteria listed seem pretty solid.

Based on that assumed solidity of data--rather than bemoaning what Florida pays to educate its school children, shouldn't we instead be holding Florida up as a shining example to the rest of the country on just how to most wisely spend Joe Taxpayer's money? Florida does seem to get a far better bang for ol' Joe's buck than just about every other state.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Haines

Yes, yes, and then they thought of giving us guns .

No one suggested giving teachers guns...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by TheWarriors

Yes, but how much do lesson plans change from year to year? Unless you are rewriting history and racist math.

They most certainly change year to year, depending on the incoming students and their abilities...

[Haggar]

Originally Posted by lpkruege1

Yes. We, can spend money on 87,000 new IRS agents, and nothing on school safety or actually improving education like school choice. Truly disgusting.

Where are you getting that 87,000 new IRS agents are being added?

[Babubhat]

Everyone should be a substitute for a day. All the complaining about teachers would stop.