[Haggar]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

And after tenure they are set for life.

In Palm Beach County the students are in for 179 days. The teachers have to come in 5 days earlier than the student plus another 5 teacher work when the students are off - a total of 189 days.
They grade their student's test scores at home and well as set up a lesson plan on the weekend they need to turn in Monday. My daughter in law takes many addition tests to be certified in the areas of science and computers she teaches.

A regular employee can work a max of 260 days (52 weeks x 5 days). He can get up to 11 holidays, 15 days of vacation, 8 sick days which results in working 226 days.
Most don't have to take their work home!

So yes teachers work 16% less days. Did I mention my daughter in law has a Masters Degree in Education (very proud of her)? And student debt?

What would be the likelihood that the someone with a Master's Degree with 15 years of experience in their field would be making less than $60,000!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by TheWarriors

They adjust but they don’t change. A teacher doesn’t rewrite geometry each year based in his or hers incoming students’ abilities.

I never said they did. But what is planned for the day/week most certainly does change.

Every Sunday night, my daughter spends a few hours on her lesson plans for the week...

BTW, I love all of these non teachers spouting off on what teachers actually do...

And yes, I know I'm not a teacher, but my daughter is. And I know what she has to do...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

Also, this salary is for working 9 months, not 12. Plus with all the other holidays and days off, they get another 1 month off, so $50k for 8 months of work. If you worked a full 12 months like all other jobs, the pay would be $75k.
I would never be a teacher. The forces from the teachers union on teaching our kids garbage, and kids not wanting to learn, it’s a losing proposition. Go out to YouTube and view where students are interviewed at colleges and they can’t answer questions like how many stars on the flag and how many states we have.

It's actually 10 months, but who's counting... They work past when kids get out and return before school starts...

And where, pray tell, will they be able to get another job that pays well for those extra two months?

And my daughter teaches in VA. No unions...

[mbene]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

You can’t compare salaries unless you also compare the cost of living in New York and Florida.

A salary of $25,000 in Orlando, Florida should increase to $46,552 in New York, New York. That is 1.86 higher.

If you multiply $49,000 times 1.86 you get $91,140.

Adjusted for cost of living, it appears that Florida pays more than New York.

The fallacy in your calculations is it assumes Florida is 1.00 which it is not. I suggest you find what the multiplication factor is for Orlando or Miami then post your numbers.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Haggar

A regular employee can work a max of 260 days (52 weeks x 5 days). He can get up to 11 holidays, 15 days of vacation, 8 sick days which results in working 226 days.
Most don't have to take their work home!

This is not true. Many regular employees routinely work much more than 40 hours a week. Many work weekends, holidays and nights. Emergency responders work way more than teachers and often for the same salaries. A Masters degree is a choice and sometimes just not a worthwhile one.

[Luggage]

The salary differential is really very simple, ask yourself why a studio apartment is $3,000 in New York City while in Leesburg you can get it for $800? 49,000 per year in a job where you get three months off in the summer have a great pension is pretty good for starting salaries especially compared to fast food or Walmart at 20,000 A Year Without pensions or 3 months off. I have many teachers in my family so don't get off on me being against teachers getting paid better. New Jersey has an example back in the seventies raised every teacher's salary by $20,000 and thus increased my real estate taxes by 50%. First you should consider where the money is going to come from and if paying somebody more makes them better at doing their job. I can guarantee you it does not

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

In 1958-1959 I took a history class in HS. Our teacher was a a nice guy but not bright, far from it in fact. He just read our lessons from the book we had read the night before. Boring at best. He was a huge supporter of getting some teachers' union into town. And they were accepted. He proudly announced it, too. Mediocrity rules!

Absolutely.

Why do you think that homeschooled kids consistently do so much better than their public-schooled counterparts?

[Geodyssey]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Don't forget, a lot of the work teachers do is on their time away from school. Lesson plan prep, grading of papers/exams, etc...

So that 185 days is misleading...

Other jobs require "extra" work too. Especially small businesses.

Today, most teachers are "woke" and are slackers on the gov't tit.

It's no longer 1963.

[Babubhat]

Online learning the future. One teacher for a hundred students. Most students don’t want to be there anyway. Bright students will homeschool or go private. Problem solved

[spinner1001]

Originally Posted by jebartle

New York highest teacher salary average $90,000+....

Earlier thread, I mentioned that our values are "out of whack", how can our state, not be ashamed, paying a profession that is so important to our future such a pathetic amount to our teachers.

Please, for those asking me to leave if I don't like it, I suggest we fix this problem by cutting our legislators salaries until it's fixed.

Since the labor market has outcomes you don’t like, here is a better system to set wages. Let a government committee set wages. A new bill recently passed by the legislature in California sets the minimum wage for relatively low skilled fast food workers at $22 per hour. California Fast Food Wages Would Be Set by Government Under Bill Passed by State Legislature - WSJ

If you like that system for setting wages instead of a free labor market, why not have the committee set the minimum wage at $50 per hour or $100 or $1000. People need a living wage.

Of course, with a government committee setting wages, we would have committee members that are completely altruistic, can’t be corrupted by power, and smarter than any of us.

The government could have committees setting wages for teachers, law enforcement officers … you know, every kind of worker including elite athletes. Of course, this system has been tried before. It worked really well.

[Matzy]

Most kids learning math, science, writing and all other subjects by attending a kind of school. Kids coming from different educational backgrounds but at the end leaving the schools with a degree of any kind. We all expect that everybody has the same basic education. All of that are the basics to be able to get a job/work, etc and earn money, get a salary.
In my understanding it is under-estimated what teachers are doing (have to do) with young humans. Beside the subjects the youngsters learn to communicate and socialize to each other which is very important to everybody.
Teachers have to prepare the youngsters for the upcoming life as an adult. I still think the teachers are one of the most influential persons in their whole life.
I was a teacher, teaching IS/IB and AP college courses at high schools in Europe and USA. And I am still very thankful to my teachers which gave me the ability to become a teacher - and I have still contact to my former students, more than 50 years ago. As a teacher we never really paid too much attention what the salary could be. (BTW, the salary in Europe is almost twice as high compare to USA)
Thank you for all your comments.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by mbene

The fallacy in your calculations is it assumes Florida is 1.00 which it is not. I suggest you find what the multiplication factor is for Orlando or Miami then post your numbers.

Check this out.

Cost of Living Calculator | New York (Manhattan), NY vs. Orlando, FL - NerdWallet

If you make $90,000 in New York, you only need $32,014 in Orlando to maintain your standard of living. The cost of living is 64% lower in Orlando, FL.

If you make $49,000 in Miami, you would need $108,713 to maintain your standard of living in New York.

[Libbyporter]

I just retired in January from Memphis, TN. I had not had a cost of living raise in years because I was maxed out. I got an extra personal day instead. I loved my school, coworkers, and administrators. My job was made tough because we were given new curriculum without materials, just a log on to a website. The students were allowed to hit, kick, cuss and scream at us and other students. As per the board nothing was allowed to happen to the students but to be talked to. The new teachers coming into the district made no money. I made ok because Ive taught so long. In the 30 years of teaching it has changed. There is no appreciation. I actually had a parent complain in November because i would not answer her calls on the weekends or at night. It was my job to talk to her whenever she called. She was set straight will quick. BTW I taught Kindergarten and am a national board certified teacher. I have applied for a Florida license just because I miss the kids. Doubt I will use it. We will continue to lose good teachers if things do not change.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by spinner1001

Since the labor market has outcomes you don’t like, here is a better system to set wages. Let a government committee set wages. A new bill recently passed by the legislature in California sets the minimum wage for relatively low skilled fast food workers at $22 per hour. California Fast Food Wages Would Be Set by Government Under Bill Passed by State Legislature - WSJ

That is about $44,000 a year! If an employer is paying that much for help, a Big Mac with fries and drink would cost $25. Hope they give free refills at that price! In addition, more places would be automated making fewer jobs available. Those kiosks don't come in late, don't take sick leave, and they don't take vacation. And no need to pay social security and Medicare!

[ronwinger]

My calculations are... based on the original post of $49,000 a year and working 185 days at 8 hours a day, equals $33.00 an hour. for an 9 month stay.