[buggyone]

"Well, what I have read is that they are required to show up for a hearing and that only about 10% have actually shown up, so I suppose they are roaming the streets somewhere."

Egads! Not the streets!


Time to close this thread. Nothing new is being said. No minds are being changed. 'Nuff said.

[perrjojo]

Well, minds are made up but time will tell how it all works out. This is one discussion that I hope I am not "right" because I see nothing good about what is happening.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Cathy H

these children and young adults are running away from areas in central America that are ruled by drug gangs who live off the drugs that americans (including some villagers) buy in great quantities. those drug gang areas are intolerable. if America would stop the drug habit and also help the Latin American countries with some economic aid to create jobs, the tide could turn. Meanwhile these people are human beings and must be given food and safe shelter until their immigration status can be resolved according to legal procedures set up by Congress

How do we know that they aren't being sent here by the drug cartel to establish more home territory?

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

How do we know that they aren't being sent here by the drug cartel to establish more home territory?

Are there enough territories to support thousands of new drug pushers? Maybe some of them will become terrorist so there won't be as competition for the terrorities?

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

Are there enough territories to support thousands of new drug pushers? Maybe some of them will become terrorist so there won't be as competition for the terrorities?

Why so snarky, Tennisnut?

MS-13: Illegal Immigrants In Deadly Gang Slated For Release

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

Are there enough territories to support thousands of new drug pushers? Maybe some of them will become terrorist so there won't be as competition for the terrorities?

So far I am aware of what you are against. But I have not heard any good answers for this problem. Unrealistic altruism is not helpful.

I am mightily afraid of terrorists from the extreme religious factions. I am overwhelmed by the harm that drugs have done to our society. I am not ashamed of saying that. We can't cure ALL of societies ills. No matter how much we would like to. Who wants an abandoned baby here crying for the familiar? I would do almost anything before I would do that to my child. ALMOST anything. My mother said, we will try to get that done when we can afford to. We cannot do everything. Moderation. That doesn't mean a moderation in compassion.

[CFrance]

The people who so feared for the life of their children and sent them off alone--Irish famine, Jews in WWII, Cuban boat lift--are the bravest parents of all. I cannot imagine having to make that decision. The ones who did it hoping it would be a ticket for themselves into the country are beyond abusive.

Hubs and I were saying yesterday we should be thanking God every day for those born in America, Canada, or western Europe. There but for the grace of Giod...

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by CFrance

The people who so feared for the life of their children and sent them off alone--Irish famine, Jews in WWII, Cuban boat lift--are the bravest parents of all. I cannot imagine having to make that decision. The ones who did it hoping it would be a ticket for themselves into the country are beyond abusive.

Hubs and I were saying yesterday we should be thanking God every day for those born in America, Canada, or western Europe. There but for the grace of Giod...

Here is picture proof of what you say...however this Annie, the first immigrant at Ellis Island, mentioned in the article, traveled alone but had her parents waiting here for her.

Cyndy. I have never read anything from "Mother Jones" before. Is it a reliable source?

Child Migrants Have Been Coming to America Alone Since Ellis Island | Mother Jones

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Here is picture proof of what you say...however this Annie, the first immigrant at Ellis Island, mentioned in the article, traveled alone but had her parents waiting here for her.

Cyndy. I have never read anything from "Mother Jones" before. Is it a reliable source?

Child Migrants Have Been Coming to America Alone Since Ellis Island | Mother Jones

Gracie, I have never heard anyone say it isn't reliable, but they they have a liberal slant. They do freely acknowledge that they are liberal.

[billethkid]

Child Migrants Have Been Coming to America Alone Since Ellis Island | Mother Jones[/QUOTE]

some how the intentions the above statement do not relate to what is going on here and now. Who knows what would have transpired at Ellis Island if all the rules of entry were set aside and advertised in their home lands to come on over and don't worry about the laws or a place to live or eat or be cared for.

The intentions of the past and since were not what the intentions of today's wide open Southern Border are attempting.

In my opinion.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Child Migrants Have Been Coming to America Alone Since Ellis Island | Mother Jones

some how the intentions the above statement do not relate to what is going on here and now. Who knows what would have transpired at Ellis Island if all the rules of entry were set aside and advertised in their home lands to come on over and don't worry about the laws or a place to live or eat or be cared for.

The intentions of the past and since were not what the intentions of today's wide open Southern Border are attempting.

In my opinion.[/QUOTE]

It IS quite a long stretch to compare the two for sure..actually, I am unable to see any comparisons. But......and we do not know the intentions for sure...and that is what is scary !

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Here is picture proof of what you say...however this Annie, the first immigrant at Ellis Island, mentioned in the article, traveled alone but had her parents waiting here for her.

Cyndy. I have never read anything from "Mother Jones" before. Is it a reliable source?

Child Migrants Have Been Coming to America Alone Since Ellis Island | Mother Jones

Gracie,

I think it's fair to say that Mother Jones aligns on the far left side of the political spectrum. Their stated mission of Mother Jones "...is to produce revelatory journalism that in its power and reach informs and inspires a more just and democratic world."

Michael Moore worked there for a while as the Editor before he got fired over an internal dispute.

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Gracie,

I think it's fair to say that Mother Jones aligns on the far left side of the political spectrum. Their stated mission of Mother Jones "...is to produce revelatory journalism that in its power and reach informs and inspires a more just and democratic world."

Michael Moore worked there for a while as the Editor before he got fired over an internal dispute.

The Mother Jones stated mission is your evidence that it is far left? What part?

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Gracie,

I think it's fair to say that Mother Jones aligns on the far left side of the political spectrum. Their stated mission of Mother Jones "...is to produce revelatory journalism that in its power and reach informs and inspires a more just and democratic world."

Michael Moore worked there for a while as the Editor before he got fired over an internal dispute.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

The Mother Jones stated mission is your evidence that it is far left? What part?

No, I'm not saying that the mission statement per se is what definitively categorizes MJ as far left. I've read the magazine intermittently over the years and reached that conclusion way before Gracie asked the question.

However, the mission statement does provide insight if you read between the lines ... to wit, MJ talks about "..inspiring a more just and democratic world." That certainly sounds laudatory, wouldn't you agree? But they are code words within the context of what they publish in general. (both sides of the spectrum use code words btw ... different words in different context etc)

In practice, MJ is very sympathetic towards, and supports advancement of the worldwide "socialist" cause. I believe anyone who actually reads MJ will recognize what I said is objectively true. That's also not to say that the article and photo about earlier generations of child immigrants, and from where Gracie's question came, was out of place. The article was pertinent. However, I'm also saying, MJ is for all intents and purposes a far left publication.

Anyway, let's get back to the topic of give me your tired etc.

I say, build a wall, deport the illegals, welcome all LEGAL immigrants and in the meantime, put diplomatic and, if needed, military pressure on the government of Mexico. They are allowing these people passage thru their territory. It is an act of quasi-war IMHO.

Also, ironically enough, had the US Army remained in Mexico in 1847-48, we could have prevented this whole mess, annexed all of Mexico and got on with things. Then the US and the Mexicans would have both been better of under the US Constitution, the heritage of English law and a free market economy. (but that's another thread ... which I may do TBD)

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

But I have not heard that any one of them declared to be a victim of human trafficking! The key word 'abuse' is apparently being used by our government rather than those crossing the border!

A read through the law is fascinating and a great revelation as to how we have been DUPED!

Just read this morning in the San Antonio newspaper and adds to our conversation on this law.....

" President Barack Obama can take action to relieve much of the crisis caused by tens of thousands of unaccompanied children crossing the southern U.S. border without waiting for what is likely to be a contentious and lengthy congressional battle, say two key lawmakers, one Democrat and the other, Republican.

" Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the author of the provision in the human trafficking law, said a change in regulations, not the law, could speed the children's return.

The law already allows the departments of Homeland Security and Health and Human Services to write regulations to deal with “exceptional circumstances” that would allow officials to return the children more quickly to their home countries, Feinstein said."

Obama may hold fix to flood of immigrant kids - San Antonio Express-News

Let us hope there is more action.....National Guard is costly and hopefully is only short term.