[manaboutown]

Can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em. Why should the tax payers of the USA be responsible for the children of other countries? Hello!

[MikeV]

I think all of you who support the illegal immigration of anyone not just children should open your wallet and pay your fare share of the cost. The $3.7 Billion requested is about $12000 per person in the US. When you consider that 50% of Americans don't pay any federal income tax then it is $24000 per tax payer. So all you that support "the children" pay up. Oh, and that is just for now you will be paying every month for their upkeep.

I realize that all the money that goes into the federal government is not from income taxes alone so don't jump on my math it was for illustration only.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

Pay my taxes, vote and support the current administrations actions. I believe the current administration is currently doing the right thing since I do not feel threatened by what some characterize as an invasion. I know that is not one sentence, but I hope everyone understands my position.

You bring the P word into this conversation and since that is not something that is allowed on here, I will carefully say that I do not believe in blind loyalty to any organization, and that I also believe in the rule of LAW.

I might suggest that you read the Washington Post and Washington Times yesterday and today to get more insight into how long this problem has been at the level you mention and the attitude expressed by them toward it(a local problem is one response).

This is OUR border, and OUR laws in play. While you personally do not feel threatened, many many of your fellow Americans have felt threatened for a few years now, and have felt ignored.

I, also, am not personally threatened but am not also personally threatened by what is happening in Ukraine or Israel or Syria, but I still care....I still keep informed...I still have an opinion. Heck, I was not personally threatened when 9/11 took place as I was here in Florida.

ALL of those examples are simple words to make my point.....each and every one of them threaten me in some way.

Again, p......s aside, can we agree that our laws should be enforced ?

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

Pay my taxes, vote and support the current administrations actions. I believe the current administration is currently doing the right thing since I do not feel threatened by what some characterize as an invasion. I know that is not one sentence, but I hope everyone understands my position.

I agree. Thanks for posting.

[rp001]

Originally Posted by mickey100

I agree. Thanks for posting.

I agree with this too, in fact far more do than will admit publicly.

[nitehawk]

The Mexican immigrants entering the usa are only going back to the land that the US took away from them --- it was their land - how about the land the American Indians owned - that we decided we wanted and took. Now we can tell rest of the world who owns what and who does not - and who should govern the land they live in - pass the tea or kool-aid

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

The Mexican immigrants entering the usa are only going back to the land that the US took away from them --- it was their land - how about the land the American Indians owned - that we decided we wanted and took. Now we can tell rest of the world who owns what and who does not - and who should govern the land they live in - pass the tea or kool-aid

Then of course, there was the "recent unpleasantness" that tore up the North and South.

That was then, and this is now. THIS is OUR piece of history.

We even change in our own life times. Once when I was very young, before I worked hard and saved, and did without to get our first house, I used to think that we could help all of society's ills. We who were whole were responsible for all. I believed that people would be better for my efforts to help them.

And then I grew older and found that many aren't better for having things given to them. And many lie to get free things, and many feel entitled to live off the rest who work.

I still care, and I still want to help, but I am often skeptical. I guess that is age, and possibly wisdom.

We would be far worse off without the attitude that so many share here in The Villages. We are the majority HERE, Thank God, and it feels good to be with so many sage people. But do NOT call us unfeeling.

Here is a picture of my immigrant grandparents, God Bless them.

[billethkid]

all minority reports are duly noted!!

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

Pay my taxes, vote and support the current administrations actions. I believe the current administration is currently doing the right thing since I do not feel threatened by what some characterize as an invasion. I know that is not one sentence, but I hope everyone understands my position.

I am sure there are many who feel as you do - and it begs the question - how much more in taxes will you be comfortable spending on social welfare programs to support the new eligibles?

How much of the dollar do you think folks should be required to give to the government and then be allowed to keep for themselves? How will increased taxes impact the rising cost of living in the villages [read that as amenities fees and golf trail fees and food and entertainment] with a decreased disposable income?

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

I am sure there are many who feel as you do - and it begs the question - how much more in taxes will you be comfortable spending on social welfare programs to support the new eligibles?

How much of the dollar do you think folks should be required to give to the government and then be allowed to keep for themselves? How will increased taxes impact the rising cost of living in the villages [read that as amenities fees and golf trail fees and food and entertainment] with a decreased disposable income?

And do they support without question implementing a program that gives equal benefits to America's needy, not so fortunate, legal residents?

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by MikeV

I think all of you who support the illegal immigration of anyone not just children should open your wallet and pay your fare share of the cost. The $3.7 Billion requested is about $12000 per person in the US. When you consider that 50% of Americans don't pay any federal income tax then it is $24000 per tax payer. So all you that support "the children" pay up. Oh, and that is just for now you will be paying every month for their upkeep.

I realize that all the money that goes into the federal government is not from income taxes alone so don't jump on my math it was for illustration only.

Think the math is wrong

should be $ 12.00 and $24.00 based on your premise

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The premise is also wrong. Out of 330,000,000 people only about 138,000,000 are considered to be taxpayers. The rest are children, disabled etc.

Out of those 138,000,000 only a little over half actually pay any income tax. The rest get all or most of what they pay in back in the form of a refund.

So we have about 70,000,000 footing the bill for the rest of us.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by MikeV

I think all of you who support the illegal immigration of anyone not just children should open your wallet and pay your fare share of the cost. The $3.7 Billion requested is about $12000 per person in the US. When you consider that 50% of Americans don't pay any federal income tax then it is $24000 per tax payer. So all you that support "the children" pay up. Oh, and that is just for now you will be paying every month for their upkeep.

I realize that all the money that goes into the federal government is not from income taxes alone so don't jump on my math it was for illustration only.

That is exactly right ...ie your concept, even if the math is arguable. Instead of having one's heart bleed from afar, and talk about voting/taxes yadda, step up and write a personal check if you truly think you have to solve the world's problems 24x7. Another way of showing you are serious is to invite some illegal alien kids over to stay with you. The people who advocate in effect open borders, never want to write the check or actually do anything ...it's always about good intentions and that's where it stops..

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

The Mexican immigrants entering the usa are only going back to the land that the US took away from them --- it was their land - how about the land the American Indians owned - that we decided we wanted and took. Now we can tell rest of the world who owns what and who does not - and who should govern the land they live in - pass the tea or kool-aid

WOW!! This is the "blame America first , we are all rotten "philosophy that erupted in the 60s and has been with us ever since. You need to brush up on your history and the lessons it offers:

Three points.

1. The US Army took control and occupied of all of Mexico in 1848... when we retreated north of the Rio Grande, the side that has English law and free markets on their side prospered. The side that didn't wallowed in poverty and crime, and remains so screwed up to this day that half the people want to jump the river into our country because it offers more opportunity. Is this not obvious? Mexico would have been better off if we had kept the Army there and annexed the whole place instead of CA, AZ, NM and TX.

2. History has been ALL ABOUT the ethic of conquest since time began. The Greeks, the Romans, the Muslims, the Crusades, Attila and his Huns etc etc etc. The list is endless. In this instance, the Mexicans kicked the Spaniards out of Mexico, but they took it from the Indians. Then the Mexicans, after losing half to us, then screwed the remaining half of Mexico up, except for the food and Margaritas.

3. The true losers were indeed the Indians. These guys lost because they failed to enforce their borders and then let us (ie Europeans) in such that we took over. That's what's going to happen in reverse if we don't finally demand action. Maybe we should learn from their mistake? You may be so guilt ridden as to welcome losing your country, but most of us will fight to keep it.

[Rags123]

It is very difficult to read here and realize that Villagers support with vigor the NON enforcement of USA law, the adding to welfare rolls that are already totally overloaded, the added tax expense involved and feel it is just fine and ok to grant amnesty to people who will, for the most part, further tax our system that is already overtaxed.

To do all this, with no comments about the LAW....just comments that...well do not make any common sense at all. It is just rhetoric.

Those who are FOR this not enforcing the law, granting amnesty with a wide sweep, adding to our already out of line costs, NEVER EVER discuss the actual facts of what is happening right now. They NEVER EVER discuss the impact on the poor Americans who live in these areas.

If you all think this checkbook has NO end in sight, you are sadly mistaken.....if you think that living here in The Villages, safe and secure and telling others to take care of it is the right thing to do....well, that is what makes this difficult. I can list other NATIONAL stories that elicited such posts and support on here....such support and "pity" from the seat of our government and they did not even come close to the impact on so many people as this. Why is that ?

None of you talk about the actual happenings....what is actually happening in your country to your fellow Americans. The preference seems to be.....try and make others feel guilty, which is really getting old....and to simply say....I support......no more.....just that.