[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Bucco

While I offer no solution, I am reluctant about arming teachers and offer this...

"claim that “gun-free zones” invite mass shootings has been thoroughly debunked by research showing that the overwhelming majority—nearly 90%—of all high-fatality gun massacres since 1966 have occurred wholly or partly in locations where civilian guns were allowed or there was armed security or law enforcement present.11

Guns in Schools | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

I love seeing links in arguments. It is my librarian training. And links to reliable resources.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I love seeing links in arguments. It is my librarian training. And links to reliable resources.

Intelligent and decent people want legitimate and truthful information, which links can provide, while all too many others eschew anything that doesn't fit their own confirmation bias...and become confused (sometimes even angry) with 'actual facts.'

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Intelligent and decent people want legitimate and truthful information, which links can provide, while all too many others eschew anything that doesn't fit their own confirmation bias...and become confused (sometimes even angry) with 'actual facts.'

"while all too many others eschew anything that doesn't fit their own confirmation bias.."

You do realize it can work both ways, don't you?

Steve

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

"while all too many others eschew anything that doesn't fit their own confirmation bias.."

You do realize it can work both ways, don't you?

Steve

It absolutely can...I agree.

Have any links I can read....I, like Tal, appreciate them myself but never see much.

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[Bucco]

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[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If I were a crazed, but skilled psychopath with a gun, and I knew that teachers were allowed to have firearms in the classroom, it'd be pretty simple: kill the teacher first. Then take their gun, and use it to kill the students. My totally crazed psychopathic brain would find the irony of that gloriously magnificent.

Be grateful that I'm not one of those, AND that the teachers in classrooms of schools I've been to and live near, aren't allowed to have firearms in the classroom.

[Cedwards38]

No. It's a ridiculous idea. If you must have guns in schools then let it be security guards who choose that line of work.

[Boomer]

Arming teachers is an asinine idea, beyond stupid. There is nothing about it that is in the best interests of education.

The agenda behind it is the ultimate example of passing the buck, kicking the can down the road. — The top must stop abdicating taking responsibility for doing what it takes to find, fund, and implement a real solution.

This thing is going to grow arms and legs that a lot of people cannot even imagine.

I think money should be spent on whatever it takes to make it as hard to enter a school with a gun as it is to get through the doors to Congress with a gun.

I cannot imagine why anyone would want to teach now. I sure wouldn’t.

“Mamas Don’t Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Teachers”


Sincerely,
Mrs. Boomer (35 years, secondary ed, armed only with a disarming smile and/or a darned stern look-in-the-eye when necessary) — loved it (most days) Now days? Never!

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Arming teachers is an asinine idea, beyond stupid. There is nothing about it that is in the best interests of education.

The agenda behind it is the ultimate example of passing the buck, kicking the can down the road. — The top must stop abdicating taking responsibility for doing what it takes to find, fund, and implement a real solution.

This thing is going to grow arms and legs that a lot of people cannot even imagine.

I think money should be spent on whatever it takes to make it as hard to enter a school with a gun as it is to get through the doors to Congress with a gun.

I cannot imagine why anyone would want to teach now. I sure wouldn’t.

“Mamas Don’t Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Teachers”


Sincerely,
Mrs. Boomer (35 years, secondary ed, armed only with a disarming smile and/or a darned stern look-in-the-eye when necessary) — loved it (most days) Now days? Never!

[manaboutown]

When I went to my 30th high school class reunion back in 1990 I ran into a classmate I knew who was designing schools. It shocked me at the time when he told me they were installing metal detectors at the entrances. Now that was almost 30 years ago so guns, knives and razor blades had become problematic in schools even back then.

I recall one guy I knew and was quite wary of even in grade school had one day come to high school with a .22 rifle down one leg of his jeans. He was walking around stiff-legged. Apparently he wanted to shoot another guy who was trying to date his girlfriend. The gun toter showed up at a reunion but I kept my distance.

[Velvet]

Thank you, Boomer for saying so succinctly what I was trying to say too. I suspect that arming teacher seems like a cheaper alternative to having specialized personnel or metal detectors in schools. People have not thought through what kind of teachers they would get if this policy were in place.

“Guns for hire, needs to be able to teach English Lit too.”

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Wow! Those stats on gun permits are a surprise. I can see the “right” to arms as in the second amendment, but that so many people feel a need to have guns, unless they are collectors etc, is sad. It feels as if the state is a potential battlefield.

There are violent and vicious people in this world that have absolutely no respect for another person's life and will kill without a bit of remorse. Thankfully the odds of being killed by one of these animals is pretty low but when you are one of that small percentage it makes for a very bad day. I'm nearly 72 with a bad heart and arthritis. I definitely can't stand toe to toe with a young thug and slug it out. I can't out run one either so the only choice I have is to take a beating and possible die from it, or carry a gun to give myself a better chance of avoiding a beating. I much prefer carrying a concealed firearm and not need it than to not carry a gun and need it. Do I like this, NO, it distressed me greatly that everyone can't be a decent person and treat everyone well.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Thank you, Boomer for saying so succinctly what I was trying to say too. I suspect that arming teacher seems like a cheaper alternative to having specialized personnel or metal detectors in schools. People have not thought through what kind of teachers they would get if this policy were in place.

“Guns for hire, needs to be able to teach English Lit too.”

[Midnight Cowgirl]

I don't know but perhaps we've come to the time when everyone must enter a school through one entrance only.
Everyone would have to pass through a metal detector, in type like those in all government buildings.
Of course, the entry would have to be manned all day by highly trained personnel.

It would be great if there was another solution, but I'm not sure there is.