[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Midnight Cowgirl

I don't know but perhaps we've come to the time when everyone must enter a school through one entrance only.
Everyone would have to pass through a metal detector, in type like those in all government buildings.
Of course, the entry would have to be manned all day by highly trained personnel.

It would be great if there was another solution, but I'm not sure there is.

In recent years at my old high school which now lies in "The War Zone" of Albuquerque some of the girls hide razor blades in their hair which they use to reach out and slash other girls as they pass in the halls. Any metal detectors installed would need to be very sensitive and properly operated to find them.

What is Albuquerque's 'War Zone' and why is it call that way? - Quora

It happens elsewhere as well. NYPD: Suspect in Queens school fight hid razor blades in her hair; 3 hurt | abc7ny.com

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

In recent years at my old high school which now lies in "The War Zone" of Albuquerque some of the girls hide razor blades in their hair which they use to reach out and slash other girls as they pass in the halls. Any metal detectors installed would need to be very sensitive and properly operated to find them.

What is Albuquerque's 'War Zone' and why is it call that way? - Quora

It happens elsewhere as well. NYPD: Suspect in Queens school fight hid razor blades in her hair; 3 hurt | abc7ny.com

Did not know that Albuquerque had those kind of problems.

I traveled to El Paso in December of 2000 for an interview with the University of Texas at El Paso Library and their President and they had mentioned how safe El Paso was. And my research kind of showed that they were right.

[Midnight Cowgirl]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

In recent years at my old high school which now lies in "The War Zone" of Albuquerque some of the girls hide razor blades in their hair which they use to reach out and slash other girls as they pass in the halls. Any metal detectors installed would need to be very sensitive and properly operated to find them.

What is Albuquerque's 'War Zone' and why is it call that way? - Quora

It happens elsewhere as well. NYPD: Suspect in Queens school fight hid razor blades in her hair; 3 hurt | abc7ny.com

Whew! Razor blades in their hair??? That's pretty bad; no -- that's nasty!

Are there metal detectors that would pick up razor blades in someone's hair? Are the cameras at airports able to do that?

I also forgot to add to my comment that schools need to have cameras everywhere. And I mean really good cameras and not the 7-11 variety type

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

There are violent and vicious people in this world that have absolutely no respect for another person's life and will kill without a bit of remorse. Thankfully the odds of being killed by one of these animals is pretty low but when you are one of that small percentage it makes for a very bad day. I'm nearly 72 with a bad heart and arthritis. I definitely can't stand toe to toe with a young thug and slug it out. I can't out run one either so the only choice I have is to take a beating and possible die from it, or carry a gun to give myself a better chance of avoiding a beating. I much prefer carrying a concealed firearm and not need it than to not carry a gun and need it. Do I like this, NO, it distressed me greatly that everyone can't be a decent person and treat everyone well.

Thank you for a real-world example...............may you never need it.

[retiredguy123]

It seems very inefficient and lopsided to dedicate huge sums of money on making it harder for someone to commit a mass killing at a school. There are lots of other places where the same crime could be committed. I think it may be more productive to focus on changing how schools are designed and operated as far as how students are taught, how many students need to be in the same room at the same time, and how interaction with students is accomplished.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Did not know that Albuquerque had those kind of problems.

Albuquerque is now robbery capital of US

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Albuquerque is now robbery capital of US

Sad. I went through Albuquerque a few times on trips from Denver to Reno and back. I used to take a lot of very long detours usually to see my Great Uncle Roberto who lived near Arizona State University in Tempe, AZ.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

It seems very inefficient and lopsided to dedicate huge sums of money on making it harder for someone to commit a mass killing at a school. There are lots of other places where the same crime could be committed. I think it may be more productive to focus on changing how schools are designed and operated as far as how students are taught, how many students need to be in the same room at the same time, and how interaction with students is accomplished.

It'd be even more efficient and even-handed to make it harder for someone to commit a mass killing, period. Regardless of location.

Maybe someone should come up with the concept of hm, I dunno, adding semi-automatics to the already-existing list of "arms that civilians aren't allowed to buy." Or simply return the AR-15 to the list, where it used to be until it was removed. Would it prevent all mass killings? Nope. Would it make it more difficult to commit them? Yup.

[Fredster]

Maybe as a society we should address identifying
deranged individuals in more creative and successful ways!

[BobnBev]

I worry more about the malls. Very target rich environment.

[Moderator]

Just a reminder...the topic was about arming teachers in schools. If it continues to stray into general gun control/legislation discussion, it will be closed.

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[armyguyot1]

I am a teacher and former military. I have fired weapons that most have never even heard of. I cannot use my skills with guns to protect my kids and that's by contract. A person with a concealed permit can carry on campus but not a teacher. There are many pitfalls to arming teachers but the biggest problem I have in prohibiting it is letting the potential shooter know the teachers are unarmed. I think the carry or not carry needs to be a personal one. Someone needs to have a permit. Having a potential shooter not know if the teachers are armed, I believe is an advantage.
My alternative being prohibited? I had and have a stick. One of the first things I learned in the military was how to defend myself legally with the stick. I learned how to kill with it while holding it with two hands as a defensive weapon. In close combat a person with a knife is at a disadvantage and a person with a gun is on pretty level plain. I need to get close. I have about 50 feet to the door. I am an auto mechanics teacher and have a Chevrolet lower timing gear on my desk. A dual roller chain lower gear that looks a lot like a fighting star. I need the gear to throw to buy the 2 seconds I need to close the gap and get close with my stick. My students are briefed to leave through the back door, go and keep going and don't look back and I will deal with it. Most shooters are not experienced or particularly talented. They will duck the gear coming, buying the time I need to get close and dangerous.
I have a plan. If I die trying, tough nooggies. I will not be executed period. Any plan is better than nothing. I am a military pilot and when an emergency happens you will do what you are trained to do. I am in not in favor of prohibiting guns on teachers as the shooter should not be assured of no guns on campus. I caused a change at our school as now the "fight back" is the standard and not just hide and die.

[OlifOlif]

YES!

Not only they should carry guns, but to make sure that those that brings guns should be stopped in their tracks!!

You can tell the type that would bring a gun to school! You know how!!! I sure do!

[Ruggiero56]

Originally Posted by Velvet

As a teacher for 30 plus years and a competitive member of the hand gun club of my university I say; No! Guns, grenades and bombs have no business in the classroom.

Agree. Not a responsibility teachers should take on. Imagine a shooting situation and the police arrive and shout an armed teacher by mistake thinking they might be the shooter. Very bad idea!

[cwhitecat]

Why not. Our children deserve the same level of protection as anyone else. Why do you think the shooters pick schools. Because it
Is so east to get access with a gun and kill many before they can be stopped. They should have the same level of protection of our government and paid for by our government.