[Freeda]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Another thread closed before I could respond to a comment. I'm getting "Thread Closed" fatigue........

Originally posted by oneclickplus..........
"You can't get "herd immunity" without infecting the herd. Take OFF your mask and go about your life. If you're worried about other people living free without a mask - then stay home."

We will achieve herd immunity SAFELY when enough people globally are inoculated with a safe and effective vaccine. I can only hope that day will come while I'm still alive and can once again enjoy life as it was pre-pandemic.

In the mean time, I will wear my mask when in public indoors all the time and outdoors when social distancing can not be maintained. The exception to wearing a mask indoors is when dining in a restaurant. Hubby and I will not go to any restaurant that does not socially distance their patrons. That is a choice hubby and I have made for ourselves. We are doing everything we can to stay safe yet still enjoy life. It can be done. No, we do not want to stay home.

Here is a outline of information concerning masks from the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons' website.

Mask Facts - AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

[donassaid]

"Proven science"? According to tge CDC, 84% of all those who have tested positive wore a mask most of the time (14%) or all the time (70%). So where is the science behind wearing a mask? If "not wearing" a mask is putting others in jeopardy from your spreading the virus, why doesn't wearing a mask protect you from getting the virus? And why have 600,000 healthcare workers wearing the N95 mask ( most sophisticated mask available), tested positive for the virus? Wearing a mask is nothing more than a placebo that gives one a false sense of security, makes you feel better about being more responsible while forcing you to breathe in your own carbon dioxide and lowering your own immunity to the virus and other germs. So, if you want to wear a mask and pretend it is doing some good, knock yourself out. While you are at it, pretend that you see me wearing a mask as well and "lighten up).

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by sktb888

Masks definitely help stop the spread! Not my opinion but scientific fact.

Oh, my bad. When you said this:

"'Herd Immunity" and "mask wearing" have been made political...",

I thought you were coming down on the side of the naysayers. You'd think after all these years I'd know about that word "assume" by now!

One thing I like about this forum is whenever anyone makes a controversial claim, someone will always chime in and ask for sources. (I'm still waiting for the poster who claimed mask wearing causes pleurisy the other day to post a citation.)

So I try to be proactive and always post a source, both to lend credence to what I'm saying and also beat them to the punch.

And I agree with you!
COVID-19: How much protection do face masks offer? - Mayo Clinic

[Lindsyburnsy]

Wow, all this time surgeons have been wearing masks; maybe they just don't want anybody knowing their identity?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Scott O

And your point? We have heard everyone’s choice since all of this...it’s a personal matter and choose what makes you comfortable...I really don’t care...it’s still a free country, I’d like it to stay that way...remember this when you vote..

My point?.........
This is not a personal matter to choose not to wear a mask. It is a matter of public health and safety. People all over the world are wearing masks, listening to experts and scientists and yet, people here in America do not want to do their part. It is not a personal choice to choose to infect another person with what could possibly be a deadly virus. I respectfully disagree with your stance on this matter.

Agree with you that The United States is a free country but people still must abide by laws and rules. The laws may be enforced by government then there are rules that are enforced by local establishments. I don't see anyone walking into a public building bare naked.

If you are not able to walk into an establishment bare naked, is that an infringement on your freedom? Just wondering.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by nick demis

Which science? There are many scientist on both sides.

I am a huge proponent of wearing a face covering in addition to social distancing. I believe in the science which has demonstrated that these measures with the addition of frequent hand washing and/or hand sanitizing DOES slow the spread of the virus. That is the science I was referring to.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by sktb888

Thanks for your reply.

Masks definitely help stop the spread! Not my opinion but scientific fact. That is why I am imploring people to FACT CHECK with reputable platforms that will give you truth on these topics and anything else that needs investigating.

This is not a fact check of sorts but it certainly does give an extremely convincing demonstration how masks do slow the spread of a virus. THIS VIDEO IS A MUST WATCH.......

How Well Do Masks Work? (Schlieren Imaging In Slow Motion!) - YouTube

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Freeda

Here is a outline of information concerning masks from the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons' website.

Mask Facts - AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

Sorry, I believe something I can SEE. The video with the infrared camera I just posted in my previous post trumps this information that you posted.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by donassaid

"Proven science"? According to tge CDC, 84% of all those who have tested positive wore a mask most of the time (14%) or all the time (70%). So where is the science behind wearing a mask? If "not wearing" a mask is putting others in jeopardy from your spreading the virus, why doesn't wearing a mask protect you from getting the virus? And why have 600,000 healthcare workers wearing the N95 mask ( most sophisticated mask available), tested positive for the virus? Wearing a mask is nothing more than a placebo that gives one a false sense of security, makes you feel better about being more responsible while forcing you to breathe in your own carbon dioxide and lowering your own immunity to the virus and other germs. So, if you want to wear a mask and pretend it is doing some good, knock yourself out. While you are at it, pretend that you see me wearing a mask as well and "lighten up).

First of all, the information about 84% of mask wearers contracted Covid has been fact checked and that information is NOT TRUE. Someone already posted a link to that fact check from CNN. See in a previous post.

Secondly, healthcare workers are dealing with Covid positive patients all day long. They are dealing with procedures, such as intubation, that have all sorts of Covid containing "stuff" flying at them. Even N95 masks leave the healthcare workers 5% vulnerable to Covid. Healthcare workers are in a very compromised environment. Anyone who refuses to wear a mask should think of the jeopardy they put health care workers in. Our hospitals are becoming overwhelmed and we should be doing everything possible from that becoming a reality right here in our neighborhood. Wear a mask and do your part.

[Michread]

Originally Posted by cherylncliff

Vaccines do NOT contain mercury or aluminum. Stop getting your science from politicians and go read the literature!

Which literature?

Here is the information from the CDC on adjuvants and preservatives used in vaccines which are aluminum and ethyl based mercury.

Adjuvants and Vaccines | Vaccine Safety | CDC

Thimerosal in Flu Vaccine | CDC

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Michread

I rather get the flu than become like the walking dead who have Alzheimer’s.

Aluminum Exposure Again Linked to Alzheimer's Disease | Technology Networks

You are exposed to more aluminum just breathing the air, thanks to geo-engineering, than you will ever be with vaccines, or pots or pans.

Also, correlation does not equal causation. A link - is correlation. You learn this in grade-school chemistry, this doesn't require extraordinary intelligence or education to know.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by nick demis

Which science? There are many scientist on both sides.

On both sides of what? Do you even understand that phrase? That is politics talk. It's gobbledigook, and utter horsefeathers.

There is science - and there is anti-science. There are no scientists on the anti-science "side." There are pretenders, frauds, fakes, swindlers, documented shills, corporate sell-outs.

The scientists are on the side of science.

[GoPacers]

Originally Posted by Michread

I rather get the flu than become like the walking dead who have Alzheimer’s.

Aluminum Exposure Again Linked to Alzheimer's Disease | Technology Networks

You should try and read a bit more on the use of adjuvants in vaccines. I'm not disagreeing with the article you reference that Al may be present in AD patients but making the "leap" that vaccines and the use of Al as an adjuvant is the source of that Al is not proven scientifically - by anyone. In fact, much of the research suggests otherwise. So many people misunderstand correlation and causation and then try to associate that lack of understanding with their view of the world.

Adjuvants and Vaccines | Vaccine Safety | CDC.

Rephrasing your statement: "I'd rather die from the flu at 55 than live to 80 and suffer from Alzheimer’s."

LOTS of people do in fact die from flu each year. I guess if you're not one of them then all is good, right?

[Michread]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

You are exposed to more aluminum just breathing the air, thanks to geo-engineering, than you will ever be with vaccines, or pots or pans.

Also, correlation does not equal causation. A link - is correlation. You learn this in grade-school chemistry, this doesn't require extraordinary intelligence or education to know.

That’s the same argument the tobacco industry used for decades about smoking cigarettes and lung/respiratory diseases.

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

On both sides of what? Do you even understand that phrase? That is politics talk. It's gobbledigook, and utter horsefeathers.

There is science - and there is anti-science. There are no scientists on the anti-science "side." There are pretenders, frauds, fakes, swindlers, documented shills, corporate sell-outs.

The scientists are on the side of science.

While I admire your conviction and partly agree, science, it must be said, is subject to interpretation. As such, disagreement among scientists is not at all unusual.

What It Means When Scientists Disagree - Scientific American Blog Network