[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Care to offer proof of that claim?

Some day the analysis will include where the electricity comes from to charge the battery and what are the effects of the materials used to make the battery and any pollution effects in the in the first place.

[billethkid]

EV are not a viable long range vehicle as there is insufficient infrastructure to support along the way charging stations.

Think about needing a charge, pulling into rest area and there are either no charge stations there yet, or the few there are all full!!!

Due to lack of infrastructure travel is restricted to mostly interstate/major roadways. Secondary road availability? Forget about it.

No Thanx!!!!!

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by billethkid

EV are not a viable long range vehicle as there is insufficient infrastructure to support along the way charging stations.

Think about needing a charge, pulling into rest area and there are either no charge stations there yet, or the few there are all full!!!

Due to lack of infrastructure travel is restricted to mostly interstate/major roadways. Secondary road availability? Forget about it.

No Thanx!!!!!

I lived in a town of about 1000 in a county of 14000 before moving here. There was a supercharger at a truck stop just outside of town.

The Teslas will route you the most efficient way to make sure you have enough chargers, you don't "suddenly" find yourself stuck in the middle of nowhere. Well, if you decide to ignore all the features helping you, then yes, you can run out of charge, just like you can run out of gas.

The Tesla charging stations are spreading rapidly. The other types are struggling, but are coming. With adapters most car can charge at most stations, not all but most. And not the government is putting money into building out the charging infrastructure.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

In 1950 the population of the US was 150 million people. That is why the air was good compared to today. And the world's population has about doubled, or more, since 1950. If the population had stayed the same, then there would be no Global Warming or excess pollution to cause Global Warming. Some brilliant old time philosopher said that wars and pestilence keep population controlled. We have had our share of disease lately and Russia is trying its best to start an expanding war. And without Ukrainian wheat, many in Africa will die.

If someone could wave a magic wand and world population not increase or decrease, then we would NOT need EVs as badly as we do. And its just barbaric and neanderthal-like that we are NOT using electric riding lawnmowers. Where is the Elon Musk of electric lawn equipment????????

No, I disagree. The AIR WAS NOT AS GOOD AS IT IS TODAY in the cities. When you drove through D.C. you could not see the sky, it was so polluted. We used to get car sick because of the vehicle exhaust from all the oil burning engines in those days. We have come a long way at cleaning up the air and it is better now than then. Fear mongers can predict the end of the world all they wish, but it just ain't gonna happen within the next century, if at all. Besides, plants need CO2 to thrive and produce oxygen.

[tophcfa]

In an effort to try and slowly begin to embrace the changes being made, I bought my first electric razor after shaving with a traditional razor and cream for almost 60 years. After one shave I tossed the thing, it sucked. If I can’t stand a quick shave with an electric razor, imagine trying to drive an electric vehicle back and fourth between the Villages and Massachusetts three or four times per year. Not happening!

[B-flat]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

In an effort to try and slowly begin to embrace the changes being made, I bought my first electric razor after shaving with a traditional razor and cream for almost 60 years. After one shave I tossed the thing, it sucked. If I can’t stand a quick shave with an electric razor, imagine trying to drive an electric vehicle back and fourth between the Villages and Massachusetts three or four times per year. Not happening!

We do a RI trip twice per year, it won't happen with an electric vehicle.

[Byte1]

One poster continues to suggest "tax breaks" as an incentive for one to purchase an EV. Explain to the rest of us how a "tax break" helps lower income folks that do not itemize their tax returns or even make enough income to make a "tax break" even feasible. How is a "tax break" really going to help those that WORK for a living pay for such an expense as an EV costs? Are you going to wave a magic wand and make EVs cheap?

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Byte1

One poster continues to suggest "tax breaks" as an incentive for one to purchase an EV. Explain to the rest of us how a "tax break" helps lower income folks that do not itemize their tax returns or even make enough income to make a "tax break" even feasible. How is a "tax break" really going to help those that WORK for a living pay for such an expense as an EV costs? Are you going to wave a magic wand and make EVs cheap?

There is no such thing as a tax break, only a tax shift. The revenue has to come from somewhere. The same people calling for tax breaks are the same ones who can’t comprehend the fact that the never ending budget deficits have lead to an unsustainable national debt.

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by Byte1

One poster continues to suggest "tax breaks" as an incentive for one to purchase an EV. Explain to the rest of us how a "tax break" helps lower income folks that do not itemize their tax returns or even make enough income to make a "tax break" even feasible. How is a "tax break" really going to help those that WORK for a living pay for such an expense as an EV costs? Are you going to wave a magic wand and make EVs cheap?

Totally absolutely and positively correct.

We are doing just fine financially. But fortunately we are in a low tax bracket and would not be able to take advantage of a federal tax credit, as the $7500 credit the year after buying as many EVs have or will.

So for us, we have the burden of all taxpayers to fund this (grrrr) but cannot use it. It would be like buying an EV but leaving $7500 on the table. Really????!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Some day the analysis will include where the electricity comes from to charge the battery and what are the effects of the materials used to make the battery and any pollution effects in the in the first place.

I read that lithium may be able to be mined in Greenland. That could break China's monopoly plans for that material. And bring DOWN the PRICE !

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by billethkid

EV are not a viable long range vehicle as there is insufficient infrastructure to support along the way charging stations.

Think about needing a charge, pulling into rest area and there are either no charge stations there yet, or the few there are all full!!!

Due to lack of infrastructure travel is restricted to mostly interstate/major roadways. Secondary road availability? Forget about it.

No Thanx!!!!!

Taking a time machine way back, we find that there were SIMILAR complains about the TRANSITION from HORSE transportation to automobile transportation!

Many people complained, " I can feed my horse anywhere and conveniently on readily available GRASS. Where with one of those dag-gon, loud, stinky automotivebilly-things I would have to hunt all over for gas in its stupid tank !"

[vickersbond]

I think the electric cars will be similar to the Edsel but it will take a bit longer for folks to stop buying electric cars - except those who have no intention of making any long trips. Might become a glorified golf cart. Can't run out of juice and get a refill in a gas (oops) electric can. And you can't fill up in 5 minutes or less. Cost of batteries is scary and disposal of those batteries will be a major problem for years to come. I do plan to buy a Hybrid as my next vehicle.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Byte1

One poster continues to suggest "tax breaks" as an incentive for one to purchase an EV. Explain to the rest of us how a "tax break" helps lower income folks that do not itemize their tax returns or even make enough income to make a "tax break" even feasible. How is a "tax break" really going to help those that WORK for a living pay for such an expense as an EV costs? Are you going to wave a magic wand and make EVs cheap?

As I understand it, whether or not you itemize has nothing to do with the $7500 EV tax credit. It is a credit deducted directly from your total tax obligation. But, you must have a tax obligation for the year to get the credit. So, as long as you paid at least $7500 in Federal income tax, you will fully benefit from the credit. If your tax obligation is less than $7500, you can only claim the amount of your tax obligation. However, there is a possibility that the car manufacturers will price the vehicles higher because they are aware of the tax credit you will receive.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

No, I disagree. The AIR WAS NOT AS GOOD AS IT IS TODAY in the cities. When you drove through D.C. you could not see the sky, it was so polluted. We used to get car sick because of the vehicle exhaust from all the oil burning engines in those days. We have come a long way at cleaning up the air and it is better now than then. Fear mongers can predict the end of the world all they wish, but it just ain't gonna happen within the next century, if at all. Besides, plants need CO2 to thrive and produce oxygen.

It IS true that in major US cities the was dirty air. Particularly those cities with a lot of industrial production and smokestacks. Today the US has outsourced its dirty air to China. And Chinese bad air and pollution does NOT stop at the bortder of China - it travels around the world and the pollution affects the upper OZONE layer, which is NOT able to block solar radiation - as well as it did in the 1950s. India is overpopulated also and causing world pollution. Pollution leads to GLOBAL WARMING - which needs to be OFFSET by efforts like the US is doing to PROMOTE purchases of EVs by giving tax breaks.

As far as "fear mongering and disasters not happening in this century" I can DISAGREE with that and I would suggest that everyone read today's article in News Break that says, " Dangerous heat will impact Florida and much of the US over the next 50 years." Starting next year (not 100 years away) Florida will have TWICE as many over 100 heat index days as compared to recent years. Florida, Texas and even states ass far north as Wisconsin will begin to experience dangerous heat index days (some as high as 125)

Right now Florida and Texas are in the path of ORGANIC dust blown in from the Sahara desert due to global Warming. The Antartica has ice sheets dropping into the ocean much FASTER than most scientists expected. This is happening so fast that a young person would be stupid to buy BEACHFRONT property in Florida. The problem is that most people are living their lives while being ignorant or UNCARING about the future, but SOON approaching effects of Global Warming.

And the point is that it is becoming important and URGENT that people begin to switch from ICE vehicles to EVs. It IS important for the next generations. It can EVEN be thought of as PATRIOTIC to do so. Help your grandchildren and do the RIGHT thing. The US government is TRYING to help you!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

In an effort to try and slowly begin to embrace the changes being made, I bought my first electric razor after shaving with a traditional razor and cream for almost 60 years. After one shave I tossed the thing, it sucked. If I can’t stand a quick shave with an electric razor, imagine trying to drive an electric vehicle back and fourth between the Villages and Massachusetts three or four times per year. Not happening!

People tend to be adverse to change. Even for things like shaving. My advice........try a Norelco rotary.