[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

The problem with Government subsidies for EVs is that it skews the real cost comparison of EVs to gasoline vehicles. If EVs are competitive with gasoline vehicles, then take away the subsidy and let the free market determine which vehicle people will buy.

Then they couldn't pick winners and losers...Nor practice social engineering...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

Hahahaha, no its shared by those who watch a certain TV channel. It's astounding that scientists are wrong, and college dropouts spouting propaganda are right in your world.

I'd respond in kind, but I don't want another "vacation"...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Except EVs are exempt from HOV Tolls...

Are you in favor of increasing registration and taxes for EVs to make them more in line with ICE vehicles?

Find a good way to do that and I would be in favor of it.

To be equivalent to cars there would need to be a way to determine the number of miles driven.

To be fair to FL residents there would need to be a way to tax the tourists. (or some reason to believe there are relatively few EVs from out of state)

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Windguy

It takes a long time for a newly planted tree to provide real shade and you likely will never get to enjoy the benefits before you die. I guess we should quit planting trees! ;-)

If your goal is immediate shade, yes, planting a sapling is pointless...

Which of course has nothing to do with reforestation...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

Assume you are for removing the $20 billion in subsidies the oil industry gets from the government too?
Chairman Press | Chairman's Newsroom | Chairman | U.S. Senate Committee On The Budget.

Sure, cite an extremely partisan congresscritter to back up your ridiculous claim...

Oil companies deduct business costs, just like any other business... It's not a "subsidy"...

One of their many costs is "exploration"...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

Are you saying we should do away with subsidies YOU receive? GREAT....I don't have to subsidize YOUR social security or Medicare anymore!

We paid (by force) in to Medicare and Social Security with the promise of a return.

It's most certainly not a subsidy...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by cjrjck

Toyota was criticized for stating the U.S. in general and definitely most other parts of the world are not ready for an all EV personal fleet. They prefer to pursue highly efficient hybrid designs. I agree with Toyota. EVs have their uses but the U.S. has a long way to go before we will be ready to convert all personal vehicles to EV. The electrical grids need massive overhauls. But that doesn't mean we can't continue the transition using hybrid technology for now.

I agree. My next car will most likely be a hybrid...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Almost everyone has a petroleum powered vehicle and there are sometimes waits at the pump. EV charging islands will be as common as gas stations

When? When will the infrastructure be able to handle the increased load?
Where will the add electricity come from?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

Read the car magazines and talk to people that own an EV. The car magazines and the people I know are glued to their screens the whole trip to make sure they can get to a charging station within the range they can go. I would hate that!
Also, my friends have said they get to charging station after a long stint and they might be the 3rd or 4th in line. So it’s going to be a couple hours of charging. Also, friends on the west coast have said that a lot of the charging stations are damaged and you can not know that until you get there. A family member of ours has a gasoline car and their close friend has an EV, every long trip their friend takes they ask to trade cars because they don’t like stopping every couple hundred miles.
A couple of things that turn me off: what happens when an EV stops running because they run out of power, you didn’t make it to the charging station? Do they have a roaming semi with a charging station on it to charge the EV? In a gas car, most gas stations will loan you a gallon container to add gas to get you to the gas station.
How many local dealers/mechanics will work on your EV? How many local mechanics will work on your gas car? All of them!
Our friends thought about coming down to visit us in their EV and they thought they could charge their EV overnight at the hotel: no charging stations!
When the number of charging stations equals or is higher than the number of gas stations; when you can get 500 miles per charge, and the time it takes to get a full charge equals the time it takes to fill your tank with gas; all at the same price of a gas car, I’ll look at buying an EV so in 20-30 years I might be buying 1

You call AAA and they show up with a DEISEL powered tow truck that may have a DEISEL powered generator to charge/tow your EV...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Find a good way to do that and I would be in favor of it.

To be equivalent to cars there would need to be a way to determine the number of miles driven.

To be fair to FL residents there would need to be a way to tax the tourists. (or some reason to believe there are relatively few EVs from out of state)

Unfortunately, the "Good Way" the government chose is doling out $7500 rebated on every EV sold... Which is the complete opposite of what we're talking about...

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

So, if everyone owned an EV, do you think you would still get instant access to a charging station?

I would imagine that would mean that the industry would build more charging stations to accommodate the additional need............basic supply and demand.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

I wonder--do people really know how that electricity they use in their EVs is generated? It is not the squeaky-clean, totally environmentally friendly (whatever that means) power that some people seem to think.

According to EIA dot gov, the breakdown is as follows:

FOSSIL FUELS: 60.2% of the total, coal and natural gas mainly.

NUCLEAR: 18.2%

RENEWABLES: 21.5%. wind, solar, hydropower, etc., also includes biomass (wood, landfill gas) and geothermal.

All in all, not quite so clean as many of us seem to want to believe.

And that defines the problem to be solved ahead in the future. We as a country and a modern society need to work TOWARD more clean, green energy. I understand that nuclear energy has made great strides in safety. There is much research going on.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Apparently, only 4% of the population owns an EV. There are about 1-2 million on the road and there are about 58,000 in Florida.

How Many Electric Vehicles Are There In The U.S.? 19+ Stats!

I wonder if one-day battery technology got so strong that all the hybrid vehicles could get battery replacements that would keep the gas engine part of the hybrid from almost never needing to be used.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Are the charging stations also being subsidized by the Federal Government?

I would say that most EV travel today is from home to work or shopping and then back home. The EV owner pays for their own charger and electricity. As far as the Federal government's involvement goes, they have a history of trying to stimulate new industries (such as railroads and oil) that they think are NEEDED for America to grow, prosper, or have a better quality of life.
.......EV's produce less pollution overall than IC vehicles because the electrical generation plant is stationary so it can have BIG efficient scrubbers, which are NOT possible on mobile vehicles. Also, often the electricity is cleanly generated. Less pollution is wanted by the Federal Government because their expert Doctors know that it will improve US health and quality of life. People will live longer, and work longer, which would EVEN HELP national defense. I believe that the Federal Government OFTEN gets things right. I hope that I am NOT in the minority on that.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Almost everyone has a petroleum powered vehicle and there are sometimes waits at the pump. EV charging islands will be as common as gas stations

EXACTLY!!!!!
In the not to distant future there will be the tipping point. Starbucks, Publix, and other businesses will realize "Hey...I can sell power to a guy while he gets coffee, groceries, or goes to the mall for 2-3 hours". I don't need to put a tank in the ground, buy 10,000 gallons of flammable fluid, and spend $25,000 for one gas pump (yes that what they cost). The power is at the pole, and I don't pay for it till I use it. I simply charge EV dude a percentage more than what it costs me.
After not too long the 7-elevens, and WaWa's of the world will start doing the same.

As far as all the old dinosaurs here grousing on how bad this will all be, now you know how the people who used to work in the buggy whip factories sounded when they invented the Model A.