[elbear]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

This is a story of something that happened over 18 years ago but I don't think I will ever forget it:

I went to the house of a minister because of an ad I had in the shopper. I was the caregiver for my mother and had bought a large amount of Depends. To get a good price I bought several cartons. After my mother passed away, I put an ad in the shopper to sell the left over 3 cartons.

So I got a call from a woman in the next town and I went over to show her what I had. She was taking care of the minister and his wife. They were both in the slow process of dying at home. The minister had emphysema and was in the living room hooked up to oxygen. His wife had something else and was confined to bed in the bedroom. She was down to skin and bone from her illness.

So the caregiver went in to see if the Depends would fit the dying woman. In the mean time, I sat and talked to the minister in the living room. What surprised me was that he told me he was afraid because he didn't know where he would go when he died. I could hardly believe I was hearing that from a minister who said he had his own church for many decades in Florida.

I honestly didn't know what to say; talk about being in an awkward situation.
I wanted to help him but in what way could I possibly do that? I didn't really know why he doubted where he was going. Had he done something terrible that he thought was unforgiveable? Or, did he somehow lose his faith? Perhaps it was the situation he was in with both he and his wife being incapacitated at the same time. I suppose that could do it.

He might have wondered why God had forsaken him and his wife and left them both to die slowly in such a miserable way. They couldn't help each other and couldn't themselves. The only help seemed to be the neighbor who came to look in on them a few times a day.

Where was his congregation? I don't know. His yard looked like a jungle of trees, bushes and weeds. It all looked like it hadn't been cared for in over a year.

If he was a minister who served God most of his life, where was God in his time of need?

Doubt, even the strongest doubt is part of faith, not separate. I don't know this particular minister but know many, real doubt causes us to search our hearts deeply and can be a long time before we surface and become stronger. I know this minister was human, I don't know his background for I've seen some struggle through 12 years of seminary and others simply walk to the front of the church, have hands laid on them and become ordained. I'm not judging either but point out all are human, prone to error and all are not the same but doubt even in the strongest, is a part of faith.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by ureout

.....this is a forum to speak what you feel and or believe, and saying that someone who does not agree with you and your beliefs, that they are the spirit antichrist, of lucifer, that is not right, and the way I see it not very christian like...we live in the USA not 1940's Germany. We should all be able to debate what we feel.

Read carefully please. Many of us disagree. But certain behaviors are indeed demonic.
Speaking of the 40's, I was at Yad Vashem last week looking at thousands of shoes dropped in a pile by Jews on their way to being gassed. What God loves, satan hates.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by ureout

.....this is a forum to speak what you feel and or believe, and saying that someone who does not agree with you and your beliefs, that they are the spirit antichrist, of lucifer, that is not right, and the way I see it not very christian like...we live in the USA not 1940's Germany. We should all be able to debate what we feel.

PLEASE. She did NOT say that people in disagreement here "are the spirit antichrist, of lucifer".

She said "I am surely not alone in perceiving the spirit antichrist, of lucifer, revving up in the world, against anything of God, as has been mildly demonstrated here."

Tolerant people would understand her statement to mean that the influence of the spirit antichrist, lucifer, is "revving up in the world".

And this thread on this forum certainly is not "the world"!!!!!!!!

[ureout]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

PLEASE. She did NOT say that people in disagreement here "are the spirit antichrist, of lucifer".

She said "I am surely not alone in perceiving the spirit antichrist, of lucifer, revving up in the world, against anything of God, as has been mildly demonstrated here."

Tolerant people would understand her statement to mean that the influence of the spirit antichrist, lucifer, is "revving up in the world".

And this thread on this forum certainly is not "the world"!!!!!!!!

then i have a different understanding of the english language....to me when i read being DEMONSTRATED HERE.....then what does that mean, if not the people posting on this site

[bimmertl]

No doubt my prayers aren't being answered. This thread continues.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by bimmertl

No doubt my prayers aren't being answered. This thread continues.

Did you really pray that? I will join you.

[ureout]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

You do have a fresh point about debate and read well, but there is an undercurrent. See post 61 for an ex. Of a personal slap directed at GG that the mod and I knew the origin of.
From old hateful, not old faithful. Known for taking various names (note 666 in this new profile name, symbol of the antichrist)...and for making derisively gouging verbosities.

i understand what you are saying and yes i do know what the 666 stands for....im just saying, from where I sit back and read some of these posts that everyone should be able to post what they feel.... you should have known when you started this post that there would be many backing you....and some disagreeing with you.....the point i was trying to make is that I dont believe that anyone that happens to disagree with your personal religous beliefs should be called the spirit antichrist....no more than i should have said that your post was not christianlike

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by ureout

i understand what you are saying and yes i do know what the 666 stands for....im just saying, from where I sit back and read some of these posts that everyone should be able to post what they feel.... you should have known when you started this post that there would be many backing you....and some disagreeing with you.....the point i was trying to make is that I dont believe that anyone that happens to disagree with your personal religous beliefs should be called the spirit antichrist....no more than i should have said that your post was not christianlike

I get you.
Well done.
I expected opposition..post 1.

[Sophie11]

Spirit of antichrist! If the shoe does fit please wear it.

[Gramps666]

Originally Posted by Sophie11

Yes I believe a woman should not teach next to a man because a man can only see the woman not because she is not capable to teach. I believe a woman should also cover her head in church because again - hair is a woman's glory and it will take glory from GOD as a man has been wired to look upon a woman. LOT had sex with his daughters because back then the human body was perfect and there was no genetic defects and to populate the earth that was how it was accomplished.

Back then incest was OK but not today? If it comes out of the Good Book then it must be OK with the individual who inspired that book.

But at least you are giving it some thought.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by ureout

then i have a different understanding of the english language....to me when i read being DEMONSTRATED HERE.....then what does that mean, if not the people posting on this site

As kitty said, certain behaviors are demonic (in nature). Behaviors "mildly demonstrated here" are behaviors, not people.

[Gramps666]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

The Bible is a holy book. Presidents have been sworn in with their hand on the Bible. It is a symbol of importance to many.

If you want to debate any books held sacred by any religion, there are scholars everywhere to defend them and skeptics to dismiss them.

Catholics do not hold with the literal interpretation and there are Christians of all kinds with different ideas of what the Bible means, from literal interpretation to historical information and guidance. I think caring and love is the hallmark of most religions, but are not limited to them.

I think that you are typing to just hurt and to anger..

Graciegirl, I'm looking for answers and yet finding very few. I'm not out to hurt anyone. But I do find that people get offended when I quote the Bible to back up my stances. I use specific passages, just like everyone else..even religious leaders. Tomorrow Billy Graham will have one in The Sun.

So, instead of name calling when you read something about religion which goes against your beliefs, try giving some answers. I've had several Biblical questions on here. And some of them actually had to do with prayer.

[Tennisnut]

Wow! Just got through reading all this. Religion is worse than politics and wars have and continue to be fought over both (even on TOTV!). Politics is of this world and religion is built on faith of another world. No one will ever win this battle over religion. This is personal decision.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

Wow! Just got through reading all this. Religion is worse than politics and wars have and continue to be fought over both (even on TOTV!). Politics is of this world and religion is built on faith of another world. No one will ever win this battle over religion. This is personal decision.

You do realize that our nation is not a theocracy in which religion and politics are one and the same, but those who are infiltrating and scheming to wipe our nation off the planet ARE theocracies…..?

It would be wise to both identify and know about our nation's enemies.

[Patty55]

As a recovering Cafeteria Catholic I don't have any bible quotes to share, but I do believe in the power of prayer.

Call it what you will... Prayer? Meditation? I think some positive energy is always a good thing.