[villagegolfer]

Originally Posted by russ_boston

ditto!

I know everyone here who loves animals feels awful about what he did but give it a break. He spent 1.5 years behind bars while some criminals who hurt people (and some manslaughter crimes) get less. Time to let it go.

i hope those of you that can't forgive never need forgiveness in your life or your family's life.

amen

[PennBF]

Forgiveness if one thing..Being held accountable for your actions and facing the consequences is another. Of course a 1 1/2 years in confinement and
then going back to making millions is not really experiencing the consequences of your behavior which cost the lives and tourture of many
defenseless animals. If you are capable of that you obviously are without
some form of conscience. I guess the theory of some is that being a
sociopath is only if you kill people and that killing other forms of life is just
a misunderstood cultural thing.

[tkret]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

Why was this thread started? Go read the first post. It had to do with one person taking joy from another person being injured. Sad, regardless of your personal thoughts about Vick.

You hit the nail on the head Russ. Opps! I hope I haven't offended anyone in the Carpenter's Union with that statement.

[eweissenbach]

This thread looks too much like the political forum, and politics in general, for my taste. When did we lose the ability to disagree without being disagreeable?

[villagegolfer]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

This thread looks too much like the political forum, and politics in general, for my taste. When did we lose the ability to disagree without being disagreeable?

What did you expect? Read the very first post again.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by russ_boston
ditto!

I know everyone here who loves animals feels awful about what he did but give it a break. He spent 1.5 years behind bars while some criminals who hurt people (and some manslaughter crimes) get less. Time to let it go.

i hope those of you that can't forgive never need forgiveness in your life or your family's life.

Forgiveness on our part (humans) generally involves: a : to give up resentment of or claim to requital for <forgive an insult>
b : to grant relief from payment of <forgive a debt> ( merriam.com )

It does not mean that we should stop identifying actions that are morally wrong and criminal. Forgiveness does not mean we should never mention those misdeeds again nor speak out against it.

If the wrongs of Vick (not him as a person) were not condemned vocally and publicly, how would kids learn that such behaviors are NOT the road to success (except in Hollywood and pro sports)???

[quirky3]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

This thread looks too much like the political forum, and politics in general, for my taste. When did we lose the ability to disagree without being disagreeable?

I'm with you, eweissenbach! It would be great if we could disagree with an air of kindness and respect, at least outside of the political forum.

[billmar]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Forgiveness on our part (humans) generally involves: a : to give up resentment of or claim to requital for <forgive an insult>
b : to grant relief from payment of <forgive a debt> ( merriam.com )

It does not mean that we should stop identifying actions that are morally wrong and criminal. Forgiveness does not mean we should never mention those misdeeds again nor speak out against it.

If the wrongs of Vick (not him as a person) were not condemned vocally and publicly, how would kids learn that such behaviors are NOT the road to success (except in Hollywood and pro sports)???

Well said!!!

[GeorgeT]

Originally Posted by duffysmom

"What goes around comes around." Just heard Michael Vick has a broken hand. Hopefully it's the hand that tortured and killed defenseless dogs.

At the request of villagegolfer I decided to go back and read the first post of this thread.

He probably used both hands and, as Forrest Gump would say, "That's all I have to say about that"

What about those poor greyhounds!

[GeorgeT]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

Of course not. But he didn't. Like it or not animal cruelty is not on a par with human cruelty. Nor should it be. Yes I know a lot about the case. Including the fact that we seem to be ignoring. The fact that a lot of this is cultural. Dog fighting (and other animal fighting and subsequent cruel treatment) is still taking place in many parts of the southern U.S. Should it be stopped? Of course but the practice is part of many cultures.

And you'll never see me calling him a hero. In fact I don't think anyone here called him that did they?

Do we have to endure a new thread every time Vick does anything football related? Why was this thread started? Go read the first post. It had to do with one person taking joy from another person being injured. Sad, regardless of your personal thoughts about Vick.

Russ, this was a logical and to the heart of the matter response and I agree with all of your posts 100% on this topic.

[GeorgeT]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Forgiveness if one thing..Being held accountable for your actions and facing the consequences is another. Of course a 1 1/2 years in confinement and
then going back to making millions is not really experiencing the consequences of your behavior which cost the lives and tourture of many
defenseless animals. If you are capable of that you obviously are without
some form of conscience. I guess the theory of some is that being a
sociopath is only if you kill people and that killing other forms of life is just
a misunderstood cultural thing.

So you're saying if he was an average Joe working as an auto mechanic making 75K/year he shouldn't be able to be an auto mechanic again and should earn less? To take it one step further do you think all convicted felons should not be able to go back to the status they had after the have done their time? There wouldn't be much incentive for rehabilitation if they didn't have a chance at leading a reasonable normal life. Isn't that what it's all about?

[villagegolfer]

Originally Posted by GeorgeT

So you're saying if he was an average Joe working as an auto mechanic making 75K/year he shouldn't be able to be an auto mechanic again and should earn less? To take it one step further do you think all convicted felons should not be able to go back to the status they had after the have done their time? There wouldn't be much incentive for rehabilitation if they didn't have a chance at leading a reasonable normal life. Isn't that what it's all about?

Good point GeorgeT. "stupid is as stupid does" (No particular meaning but I feel like I had to insert a Forrest Gump quote)
Read post 39.

[PennBF]

It would seem logical that if someone actually tourted and abused an
animal they should be identified, (e.g.sexual offenders, etc.). They have
deomonstrated a lack of a moral compass and it would be reasonable to
assume this lack would not be restricted to (a) animals and (b) stopped
as soon as they were released after a year and a half?
I don't think I would feel comfortable living next door to a person who
was so lacking in feelings and conscience as to easily watch animals be
abused and killed and in fact be a active participant in such a horrible
activity..

[GeorgeT]

Originally Posted by PennBF

It would seem logical that if someone actually tourted and abused an
animal they should be identified, (e.g.sexual offenders, etc.). They have
deomonstrated a lack of a moral compass and it would be reasonable to
assume this lack would not be restricted to (a) animals and (b) stopped
as soon as they were released after a year and a half?
I don't think I would feel comfortable living next door to a person who
was so lacking in feelings and conscience as to easily watch animals be
abused and killed and in fact be a active participant in such a horrible
activity..

In response to a) Yes, he did demonstrate a lack of moral compass and that's why he went to prison but to say just because he beat dogs that it would escalate to humans is ridiculous. That's like saying a guy who robs a candy store will rob a bank when he get's out.
In response to b) it stopped as soon as he was caught.

I get that you're passionate about this subject and I agree that what he did was wrong but some of your assumptions are out there.

And please stop with the nonsense. It makes you sound as if you're the only one with an opinion that counts here and no one else's means anything.

[GeorgeT]

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Good point GeorgeT. "stupid is as stupid does" (No particular meaning but I feel like I had to insert a Forrest Gump quote)
Read post 39.

Life really is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you'll get. (Unless it has one of those little maps on the top! Do chocolates come with those any more?