[fritzy]

Originally Posted by crash

The vaccines have no DNA and do not affect our DNA in anyway so not gene therapy.

The definition of vaccine is something when administered produces an immune response that prevents a disease. Those of us who have had COVID know it is a disease and no one who has had the vaccine has been hospitalized or died so if it looks like a duck, talks like a duck and walks like a duck it is a duck.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told The Epoch Times in an email that as of March 8, more than 92 million doses of mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 had been administered, with 1,637 deaths occurring following the injections in the United States.

[Malsua]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

With mRNA, your immune system is constantly (and forever) fighting against a protein production that can't be turned off.

Nonsense.

Do you continue to produce Sars-Cov2 after you've beat the disease? No? Why not? Sars-Cov2 uses messenger RNA to produce the virus in your own cells. Do these continue to make it forever?

No, they don't. Why? The cells that were hijacked produce a signal and t-cells come along and spew a bunch of cytotoxin on them and THEY DIE.

This is exactly what happens to the cells that produced the spike protein from the MRNA Vaccine. They die.

Your system will clear all evidence of it ever being there in a few days at most. Your body isn't in a 100 years war against it until you die.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Referring only to the Moderna & Pfizer shots ... no, it's not gene therapy and there was no intimation that it was gene therapy. Your posting that it is NOT gene therapy does nothing to negate what it really is ... and deflects from the risk of mRNA.

For starters, it's not a vaccine (definition below for those who like truth). The mRNA shots turn your own cells into factories for producing the spike protein found on the surface of the COVID-19 virus. Therefore, the mRNA substance that is injected does not meet the definition of a vaccine as it in itself does not "stimulate the production of antibodies ...".

What is does is use your own cells to create a counterfeit copy of the spike protein. This essentially tricks your immune system into creating an immune response without the presence of the virus. So, any immune response is not from what was injected (hence, not meeting the definition of a vaccine) but rather from the proteins that your own cells will create by following the instructions in the mRNA that was injected. Sounds good, right?

However, this hijacking of your own cells to produce something (a task no prior "vaccine" has ever done) is rather permanent. Your cells will continue to produce this spike protein for as long as you walk the planet. My concern is that it will greatly lessen that time on the planet. This process of artificially creating a protein that is then considered foreign to your body and constantly provoking an immune response will continue whether you are exposed to the virus or not. With previous vaccines, a dead or attentuated virus is used to provoke an immune response so that your body is "ready" should it come in contact with the real virus (polio, etc). But, it is not constantly provoked as only a small amount of the target virus is injected. With mRNA, your immune system is constantly (and forever) fighting against a protein production that can't be turned off. Your immune system is constantly provoked to respond because the counterfeit spike protein is constantly being manufactured. This is the very definition of an autoimmune disease. Definition of that is also provided below for your review.

So, go ahead and get the shot (not a vaccine) if you think this is all BS. I read that all the major cruise companies are going to require a vaccine in order to sail. I wonder what they will do when their pool of preferred customers start dying off faster than expected.


Definition of a vaccine: a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

Definition of autoimmune disease: A disease in which the body's immune system attacks healthy cells.

Note for anyone having trouble understanding. the "healthy cells" are the cells in your body that have been hijacked to produce a protein foreign to your body (the COVID-19 spike protein).

Fairly eloquent, but very, VERY wrong.

It is a vaccine, even by the definition that both you and I have given. So it's a 2 step process---big deal. Do you have any idea how many pathways in the human body are 20 and 30 step processes.

But more importantly, the mRNA does not " continue to produce this spike protein for as long as you walk the planet. ", it lasts AT MOST 2 days. I'd duck if I were you, because the other medical experts on this site are going to jump all over your post.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fritzy

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told The Epoch Times in an email that as of March 8, more than 92 million doses of mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 had been administered, with 1,637 deaths occurring following the injections in the United States.

And NONE of those deaths were definitively linked to the vaccine

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by fritzy

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told The Epoch Times in an email that as of March 8, more than 92 million doses of mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 had been administered, with 1,637 deaths occurring following the injections in the United States.

But what is the breakdown of those numbers? So far most of the people that have received the vaccine have been the oldest of our population. How many of them were already circling the drain? Would they have died regardless of whether they received the vaccine?

As has been stated, correlation doesn't mean causation.

[brfree1411@aol.com]

Friends,
The worst thing you can do is give a person attention when they are incorrect in their posting. Remember what your mom told you about bullies, "IGNORE THEM", LOL

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by brfree1411@aol.com

Friends,
The worst thing you can do is give a person attention when they are incorrect in their posting. Remember what your mom told you about bullies, "IGNORE THEM", LOL

I disagree. Perhaps the worst thing you can do is give attention to a troll, but when someone posts INCORRECT information, those of us with expertise in a given field should feel obligated to correct it. I would hate for people to believe some of the medical crap that has been posted on TOTV over the years

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

From the CDC 2,216 vaccine related deaths.

"126 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 22, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 2,216 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS."

Do you not believe this claim? Are we being lied to? Personally, I don't believe we are being lied to.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Jean G

For those who think there are no doctors against these vaccines, I offer this link to a highly credible organization of thousands of doctors who are trying to combat the vaccine and it’s lies.

America's Frontline Doctors – The Trusted Name for Independent Information

You can not be serious with this link. I did a quick search of Dr. Simone Gold. She is a real peach. NOT!!!! I do not listen to this type of garbage. Sorry.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Referring only to the Moderna & Pfizer shots ... no, it's not gene therapy and there was no intimation that it was gene therapy. Your posting that it is NOT gene therapy does nothing to negate what it really is ... and deflects from the risk of mRNA.

For starters, it's not a vaccine (definition below for those who like truth). The mRNA shots turn your own cells into factories for producing the spike protein found on the surface of the COVID-19 virus. Therefore, the mRNA substance that is injected does not meet the definition of a vaccine as it in itself does not "stimulate the production of antibodies ...".

What is does is use your own cells to create a counterfeit copy of the spike protein. This essentially tricks your immune system into creating an immune response without the presence of the virus. So, any immune response is not from what was injected (hence, not meeting the definition of a vaccine) but rather from the proteins that your own cells will create by following the instructions in the mRNA that was injected. Sounds good, right?

However, this hijacking of your own cells to produce something (a task no prior "vaccine" has ever done) is rather permanent. Your cells will continue to produce this spike protein for as long as you walk the planet. My concern is that it will greatly lessen that time on the planet. This process of artificially creating a protein that is then considered foreign to your body and constantly provoking an immune response will continue whether you are exposed to the virus or not. With previous vaccines, a dead or attentuated virus is used to provoke an immune response so that your body is "ready" should it come in contact with the real virus (polio, etc). But, it is not constantly provoked as only a small amount of the target virus is injected. With mRNA, your immune system is constantly (and forever) fighting against a protein production that can't be turned off. Your immune system is constantly provoked to respond because the counterfeit spike protein is constantly being manufactured. This is the very definition of an autoimmune disease. Definition of that is also provided below for your review.

So, go ahead and get the shot (not a vaccine) if you think this is all BS. I read that all the major cruise companies are going to require a vaccine in order to sail. I wonder what they will do when their pool of preferred customers start dying off faster than expected.


Definition of a vaccine: a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

Definition of autoimmune disease: A disease in which the body's immune system attacks healthy cells.

Note for anyone having trouble understanding. the "healthy cells" are the cells in your body that have been hijacked to produce a protein foreign to your body (the COVID-19 spike protein).

My apologies for intimating that you have said these vaccines are not vaccines but gene therapy. That was misguided of me to say that. All I know is that you insist that these vaccines are not vaccines and I made the incorrect assumption that you felt they are gene therapy. My bad.

Now, regarding your definition of a vaccine. That is the classic traditional vaccines that you must be referring to. Is that right? The mRNA vaccines are new advanced state of the art technology so the way they work is not in the traditional sense. Personally, I think this new technology and advancement in vaccine development is the best thing to come along since sliced bread. This technology does not frighten me in the slightest. In fact, I am so excited for mankind that this technology exists.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Fairly eloquent, but very, VERY wrong.

It is a vaccine, even by the definition that both you and I have given. So it's a 2 step process---big deal. Do you have any idea how many pathways in the human body are 20 and 30 step processes.

But more importantly, the mRNA does not " continue to produce this spike protein for as long as you walk the planet. ", it lasts AT MOST 2 days. I'd duck if I were you, because the other medical experts on this site are going to jump all over your post.

Thank you for being here for us.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by brfree1411@aol.com

Friends,
The worst thing you can do is give a person attention when they are incorrect in their posting. Remember what your mom told you about bullies, "IGNORE THEM", LOL

Isn't is better to set the record straight and not allow falsehoods to persist? My opinion, of course.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Isn't is better to set the record straight and not allow falsehoods to persist? My opinion, of course.

If someone lies or posts totally incorrect information, not opinions, but passes of what they purport to be true and you know it is not can validate it is sourced from known liars, then I think you have an obligation to correct it and do it forcefully.

This is the kind of thing that is taking over our country......people lie and we accept it. We should never accept a lie or purposeful distortion of the truth.....that is enabling.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I have no opinion one way or the other regarding the vaccine being gene therapy, I haven’t researched it.

I am surprised, though, that a gal I know had developed a skin condition called “stucco” a few years ago and was lamenting she wouldn’t be wearing shorts this summer because of it. A week after the vaccine shot, the stucco disappeared from her legs and arms. It’s completely gone and she is thrilled. Nothing else in her life had been done differently. Any theories from the medical pros here?

Stucco keratosis is benign, doesn't turn into anything else, causes no discomfort, doesn't bleed, doesn't really "do" anything at all. It doesn't normally show up on the face, so the theory that sunlight has anything to do with it is mostly debunked. There is no known cause to it at all, and it doesn't normally go away on its own.

It had it on one knee years ago and I kept scraping at it whenever I shaved my legs and it finally stopped coming back.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by fritzy

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told The Epoch Times in an email that as of March 8, more than 92 million doses of mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 had been administered, with 1,637 deaths occurring following the injections in the United States.

And of those 1637 deaths, how many were attributed to the vaccine?

(here's the answer for you: none)

Remember MOST of those vaccines in February and March were administered to seniors. Who is most likely to die: people under 65 or people over 65? (here's another answer for you: over 65). Older people die of old age, 100% of the time more than younger people do.

It is very likely that of tens of MILLIONS of vaccines, a thousand or two will be given to people who were on their deathbeds already.