[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by allenpegg1@gmail.com

Ever wonder what happened to the 35k+ yearly flu deaths during the WuhanChineseCoronaVirus pandemic?

Is 35K supposed to be worldwide?

In the US the number seems to be about 8K per year according to the CDC (2018 was higher). In 2020 there were nearly 9K deaths from the flu. 2021 is starting off much lower, likely due to masking and physical distancing including remote work and remote school.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Jean G

For those who think there are no doctors against these vaccines, I offer this link to a highly credible organization of thousands of doctors who are trying to combat the vaccine and it’s lies.

America's Frontline Doctors – The Trusted Name for Independent Information

That link is to a source not trusted by traditional medicine. And that is the kindest way that it can be said;

America’s Frontline Doctors - Media Bias Fact Check

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Jean G

For those who think there are no doctors against these vaccines, I offer this link to a highly credible organization of thousands of doctors who are trying to combat the vaccine and it’s lies.

America's Frontline Doctors – The Trusted Name for Independent Information

Highly credible, you say.

The founder was arrested at the capital on Jan 6.

They were originated to support the false narrative concerning hydroxychloroquine.

They were part of a number of conspiracy theories and were removed from social media for lying.

'America's Frontline Doctors' Continue to Misinform on COVID | MedPage Today

Simone Gold Arrested for Role in Capitol Insurrection | MedPage Today

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

That link is to a source not trusted by traditional medicine. And that is the kindest way that it can be said;

America’s Frontline Doctors - Media Bias Fact Check

It is a mostly P group

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by drducat

From the CDC 2,216 vaccine related deaths.

"126 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 22, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 2,216 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS."

Fun with numbers.

330M people in the US
80M vaccinated (120M shots but many people received two shots)
2,216 deaths occurred in vaccinated people
60,000 deaths per week in the US
13 weeks from 12/14/20 to 3/22/21

2,216 deaths/80M vaccinated -> 0.0028%

13 weeks at 60,000 deaths/week = 780,000 deaths in the US with 777,784 NOT associated with receiving a shot

777,784 deaths / 250M not vaccinated -> 0.31%

Just from those calculations, you are 100 times more likely to die if you do NOT get vaccinated.

(Yes I know, correlation vs. causation, but it was fun to play with the numbers)

[petiteone]

Originally Posted by Larry chappel

Not saying it is or isn't a vaccine but apparently you haven't been paying attention because many people worldwide have died shortly after receiving the vaccine. Especially the single dose version. Of course you will have to look deeper than the government news source to find the real story and that has probably been true of every new vaccine but it happens none the less

Source please? How many is "many"? I'm a retired MD who reads medical journals and I have not come across any that cite that as substantiated and also found no references in legitimate news source that had a citation for "many" deaths after the vaccine. I can't find a source for even 1 death......and don't give me "the government is covering it up" excuse.

[cherylncliff]

Let's be very clear, the mRNA vaccines are NOT gene therapy and have absolutely NO impact on your DNA. RNA has a very short lifetime in the body. It is NOT incorporated into your DNA nor is it conserved when cells divide. During its very short lifetime in the body, it is used by cellular mechanisms to produce a protein that, in the case of the COVID-19 vaccine, looks like the spike protein of the corona virus. At that point, it's work is done and nothing else happens other than its destruction by the normal cellular machinery. That little piece of protein is recognized by your immune system as foreign and your body develops antibodies and other immune responses. Then, if you are exposed to live virus, your immune system is already primed to respond so you will not suffer any severe consequences from the infection. There is NO change to your DNA and there is NO change o your normally circulating RNA.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by Larry chappel

Not saying it is or isn't a vaccine but apparently you haven't been paying attention because many people worldwide have died shortly after receiving the vaccine. Especially the single dose version. Of course you will have to look deeper than the government news source to find the real story and that has probably been true of every new vaccine but it happens none the less

Now this stupid last statement is bull. Show the proof. You can't make off the cuff statements on here and expect anyone one to believe you. Have people died??? Yes..I believe a few have, but not 100% proven....but many, as you state.....no...not true

[Jacob85]

You are right and thanks for the article. The conspiracy theory people have come out of the woodwork with all their opinions that mean nothing and are probably costing lives of people who now won’t get the vaccine. It’s too bad they can’t be sued or suffer the consequences.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by Jacob85

It’s too bad they can’t be sued or suffer the consequences.

The same can be said for the MSM and the "social media" sites.

[Jacob85]

There is no pig DNA in Moderna or Pfizer

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Jacob85

You are right and thanks for the article. The conspiracy theory people have come out of the woodwork with all their opinions that mean nothing and are probably costing lives of people who now won’t get the vaccine. It’s too bad they can’t be sued or suffer the consequences.

My guess, and that it is....a guess, but based on numbers provided to us (Columbia University for one) which says we lost 130,000 Americans due to our inadequate response and now begin to add those being lied to about the vaccines makes this an event of historic proportions.

In addition LANCET......"The Lancet is a weekly peer-reviewed general medical journal. It is among the world's oldest and best-known general medical journals.[1][2] It was founded in 1823 by Thomas Wakley, an English surgeon who named it after the surgical instrument called a lancet (scalpel).[3]...has estimated that a full 40% of COVID deaths could have been avoided.

So we continue with a message that will certainly cost more lives.

DEFINE_ME

Suddenly we are allowing non medical "professionals" (not the correct word because it does not address the motives) to rule our lives at what cost ?????

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I have read on this forum countless times (specifically from one poster) that the mRNA vaccines are not vaccines. If I recall correctly, there is intimation that these vaccines are actually gene therapy. Seems these vaccines are referred to as "vaccines" everywhere with the exception of the poster on this forum.

Here is an article that debukes that the mRNA vaccines are gene therapy. I apologize if you don't think the source I used is reliable. I did look up the bias rating on Forbes and they are middle of the road so really no bias there...............

Covid-19 mRNA Vaccines Are Not ‘Gene Therapy,’ As Some Are Claiming

Referring only to the Moderna & Pfizer shots ... no, it's not gene therapy and there was no intimation that it was gene therapy. Your posting that it is NOT gene therapy does nothing to negate what it really is ... and deflects from the risk of mRNA.

For starters, it's not a vaccine (definition below for those who like truth). The mRNA shots turn your own cells into factories for producing the spike protein found on the surface of the COVID-19 virus. Therefore, the mRNA substance that is injected does not meet the definition of a vaccine as it in itself does not "stimulate the production of antibodies ...".

What is does is use your own cells to create a counterfeit copy of the spike protein. This essentially tricks your immune system into creating an immune response without the presence of the virus. So, any immune response is not from what was injected (hence, not meeting the definition of a vaccine) but rather from the proteins that your own cells will create by following the instructions in the mRNA that was injected. Sounds good, right?

However, this hijacking of your own cells to produce something (a task no prior "vaccine" has ever done) is rather permanent. Your cells will continue to produce this spike protein for as long as you walk the planet. My concern is that it will greatly lessen that time on the planet. This process of artificially creating a protein that is then considered foreign to your body and constantly provoking an immune response will continue whether you are exposed to the virus or not. With previous vaccines, a dead or attentuated virus is used to provoke an immune response so that your body is "ready" should it come in contact with the real virus (polio, etc). But, it is not constantly provoked as only a small amount of the target virus is injected. With mRNA, your immune system is constantly (and forever) fighting against a protein production that can't be turned off. Your immune system is constantly provoked to respond because the counterfeit spike protein is constantly being manufactured. This is the very definition of an autoimmune disease. Definition of that is also provided below for your review.

So, go ahead and get the shot (not a vaccine) if you think this is all BS. I read that all the major cruise companies are going to require a vaccine in order to sail. I wonder what they will do when their pool of preferred customers start dying off faster than expected.


Definition of a vaccine: a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

Definition of autoimmune disease: A disease in which the body's immune system attacks healthy cells.

Note for anyone having trouble understanding. the "healthy cells" are the cells in your body that have been hijacked to produce a protein foreign to your body (the COVID-19 spike protein).

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by allenpegg1@gmail.com

Don't you wonder why so MANY in the MEDICAL PROFESSION refuse to get the shot(s)? And they ARE doctors!!!

Strange that I don't know of any......

[rmd2]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

That is wonderful news about the long haulers.

Some With Long-Haul COVID See Relief After Vaccination

Yes I also read about that. Long haulers were given the vaccine and within a very short time were completely healthy. It's great news for those suffering from the long haul Covid.