[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

Kitty, your news source is blatantly clouding the real picture. For starters calling the rebels the "Free Syria Army" is a farce. The are funded, provided arms, support and led by Al Queda. That is who will run Syria if they win.

As for the Arab league support, yes they will be completely behind it. Why? because having Al Queda run Syria is much better for them then having Assad run Syria. However I bet they will vote for support in principal and not commit one peso or person to the effort.

Why does Israel support a US strike? They want to know we will follow through with our commitments in any Middle East conflict. They also want those chemical weapons destroyed before they fall into the hands of Al Queda. And to let Iran know we will follow through on our "do not allow nuclear arms" commitment to Israel.

Our leadership in Washington has bungled this beyond belief. It is an utter and complete failure of our foreign policy.

Hey there. I've quoted a ton of resources...I'm not endorsing their every word, but the sources are giving me updates while CNN blathers on...

What are the sources you refer to about Syrian rebels being Al Queda?
Kitty

[rp001]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Hey there. I've quoted a ton of resources...I'm not endorsing their every word, but the sources are giving me updates while CNN blathers on...

What are the sources you refer to about Syrian rebels being Al Queda?
Kitty

Not to change the subject, but it seems to be drifting to Israel's rights of protection by the US, I'd suggest all google the USS Liberty incident where the Israelis attacked a us ship and killed 34 sailors 1 marine 1 civilian in international waters. That is the truth of war and how things escalate quickly and get totally out of hand.

[rubicon]

Beginning with Vietnam America's resolve has progressively lessen. So the last thing we needed is a president who is doing on the job training concerning our foreign policy. The president believed he could avoid the issue by drawing reference to a red line, one he never imagined would occur.
So then he prolonged it further by demanding proof which eventually came but he still maintained was definitely verifiable. IMHO who else would gain by using chemical weapons but Assad. He and Kerry both began saber rattling and then got cold feet again and decided to wait until Congress reconvened. meanwhile his Admin leaked more information to the enemy than snowden.

By the way prior to the invasion of Iraq a story appeared in the WSJ wherein they describe where Iraqi Republican Guard relieved Syrian guards at the order then departed. Did Iraq move its WMD to Syria before the invasion?
does anyone believe with so much information out there that Syria won't e well prepared and well protected

Our allies doubt our resolve and know now that they cannot rely on us.
We do have an interest in the outcome of Syria. But before we move we better be sure what we intend to do and make it effective and we better have the resolve to see it through.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Beginning with Vietnam America's resolve has progressively lessen. So the last thing we needed is a president who is doing on the job training concerning our foreign policy. The president believed he could avoid the issue by drawing reference to a red line, one he never imagined would occur.
So then he prolonged it further by demanding proof which eventually came but he still maintained was definitely verifiable. IMHO who else would gain by using chemical weapons but Assad. He and Kerry both began saber rattling and then got cold feet again and decided to wait until Congress reconvened. meanwhile his Admin leaked more information to the enemy than snowden.

By the way prior to the invasion of Iraq a story appeared in the WSJ wherein they describe where Iraqi Republican Guard relieved Syrian guards at the order then departed. Did Iraq move its WMD to Syria before the invasion?
does anyone believe with so much information out there that Syria won't e well prepared and well protected

Our allies doubt our resolve and know now that they cannot rely on us.
We do have an interest in the outcome of Syria. But before we move we better be sure what we intend to do and make it effective and we better have the resolve to see it through.

First, I have read and heard of the same stories on WMD's from Iraq to Syria..a number of times.

I also concur with we better have a plan..not what we have been hearing, which is nebulous at best. This is why no hurry getting back to Washington to vote, although some with narrow vision will even make that an issue. This needs discussions and answers. The last weeks have been an embarrasment...this discussion needs to be done correctly and free of the bickering which is starting already.

[kittygilchrist]

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rp, Thanks for the post..6 day war. No wonder I didn't remember that.
1967.

[kittygilchrist]

Syria - Al Jazeera English

too much info for a synopsis...Arab League considerations.

[zcaveman]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Hey there. I've quoted a ton of resources...I'm not endorsing their every word, but the sources are giving me updates while CNN blathers on...

What are the sources you refer to about Syrian rebels being Al Queda?
Kitty

Google Al Qaeda in Syria. This is just one of the hits. This has been all over the news. We support the rebels all we are doing is giving arms to Al Qaeda. There are no good guys over there.

Syria and al-Qaeda: the enemy of our enemy could turn out to be our most dangerous enemy of all – Telegraph Blogs

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by zcaveman

Google Al Qaeda in Syria. This is just one of the hits. This has been all over the news. We support the rebels all we are doing is giving arms to Al Qaeda. There are no good guys over there.

Syria and al-Qaeda: the enemy of our enemy could turn out to be our most dangerous enemy of all – Telegraph Blogs

that is a blog..imo it carries equal weight as any person on totv.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by zcaveman

Google Al Qaeda in Syria. This is just one of the hits. This has been all over the news. We support the rebels all we are doing is giving arms to Al Qaeda. There are no good guys over there.

Syria and al-Qaeda: the enemy of our enemy could turn out to be our most dangerous enemy of all – Telegraph Blogs

"“So what, we're about to become Al Qaeda's air force now?” Kucinich said. “This is a very, very serious matter that has broad implications internationally. And to try to minimize it by saying we're just going to have a 'targeted strike' — that's an act of war. It's not anything to be trifled with.”



Read more: Kucinich: Syria strike would turn US into 'al Qaeda's air force' - The Hill's Global Affairs
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[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Bucco

First, I have read and heard of the same stories on WMD's from Iraq to Syria..a number of times.

I also concur with we better have a plan..not what we have been hearing, which is nebulous at best. This is why no hurry getting back to Washington to vote, although some with narrow vision will even make that an issue. This needs discussions and answers. The last weeks have been an embarrasment...this discussion needs to be done correctly and free of the bickering which is starting already.

Bucco: it seems that the Executive Branch, Congress, The Pentagon, FBI/CIA have all become indecisive, forgot the admonition that "loose lips sink ships" have little resolve and otherwise are losing credibility both domestically and with the world at large. This is very dangerous because it gives the appearance of weakness. The perception of weakness in the world like in the wild, the criminal world sporting events, etc means certain literally and figuratively means certain death.

It is of paramount importance that we change that perception quickly because if we don't it will lead to our eventual demise Ask the ancient Romans

[zcaveman]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

that is a blog..imo it carries equal weight as any person on totv.

You are probably one of the few that does not believe that Al Qaeda is not on the sides of the rebels. Please google Al Qaeda and Syria and read some of the hits. Also read the newspapers.

I do not want to influence you either way. Make up your own mind after reading some of the articles.

Neither side is on our side.

Z

[Bucco]

I think conversation for me is mute until I hear more from the WH. Not that I am on their mailing list, but they can't nor should share all EXCEPT with the senate or congress, and that needs to be really wide open.

What is the end game...regime change...destroy capabilities of the regime to defend itself ?

If either of those...DO YOU KNOW FOR SURE WHO YOU ARE HANDING THIS OVER TO ? There is actually a report on NPR that suggests the chemical attack is the work of the rebels. Is It Possible The Syrian Rebels (Not Assad) Used Chemical Weapons? : The Two-Way : NPR

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Suzi

If I recall correctly, our current president was against (even voted against) going into Iraq even with a much larger coalition of other countries. I believe he is a muslim and does not want to be involved with any attacks on any muslim country. In this case, America has no skin in the game, our good name has already been smeared over the last couple of years - jumping in to improve that image is useless. According to the news, an American poll puts 50% want us to "do something". 44% do not want us to intervene. I don't put much stock in polls - so much depends on the way a question is asked over the phone. I am firmly against any military intervention.

As far as the president being a Muslim, I think that that kind of talk is ridiculous and divisive. I'm not a big fan of this president and his policies or some of the decisions he made but I'd prefer to stick with substance rather than rhetoric.
Sitting in the senate it's pretty easy to vote against the president. It's especially easy when it's the popular vote among your constituents and the vote is going overwhelmingly in the opposite direction.
It's not as easy for the president to play games like that. I think that the president had a shock when he went into the oval office for the first time and was briefed on things that only the administration knows. Suddenly there are a lot more things to think about then what decision will get you the most votes.

It was the same thing with Iraq and Afghanistan. Senator and Candidate Obama criticized President Bush and his policies on these two fronts. When he got into office, he followed the Bush schedule to the letter.

He keeps saying that he wants to close GITMO but he hasn't yet. Could it be that once he got into office he learned a few things about that whole situation and why we haven't closed that facility? That was a priority and yet, it is still open.

It's pretty easy for us as well as the house and senate to sit in judgement of what the president is doing, but what do we really know? We don't have doesn't of experts in these areas advising us on what to do. We don't fully understand the repercussion of acting or not acting. Senator Obama didn't either.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I think conversation for me is mute until I hear more from the WH. Not that I am on their mailing list, but they can't nor should share all EXCEPT with the senate or congress, and that needs to be really wide open.

What is the end game...regime change...destroy capabilities of the regime to defend itself ?

If either of those...DO YOU KNOW FOR SURE WHO YOU ARE HANDING THIS OVER TO ? There is actually a report on NPR that suggests the chemical attack is the work of the rebels. Is It Possible The Syrian Rebels (Not Assad) Used Chemical Weapons? : The Two-Way : NPR

that is a blog. a blog has as much credibility as something said on facebook or twitter or totv.

[zcaveman]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

that is a blog. a blog has as much credibility as something said on facebook or twitter or totv.

This seems to be your standard answer. Are you afraid to look at the facts? Please google Syria Al Qaeda and read some of the hits.

Z