[Sophie11]

2 Thessalonians 10 ►

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The responses on here are the scary part. More common sense and logic. Criminals often put their plans on Facebook. What is more logical that some man upset about something at his job filled with rage for some reason became violent or some vast conspiracy involving Imans?

Conspiracies do happen but they usually involve very small groups of people who trade benefits for one another. Why would someone who can earn hundreds of thousands of dollars over their medical career start following some kind of "medical jihad?"

He may not have been part of an organized group directing him to kill non believers, but he didn't shoot this woman, he beheaded her. He was responding to something unusual. The Law enforcement there say that Moore, OK is not used to murders, they may have one a year and they have never had any one beheaded. He had tried to convert his co-workers to Islam. He was fired. He was mad. He considered himself to be righteously mad.
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[Cisco Kid]

A little more info comes out

Oklahoma Beheader Linked to Al Qaeda Leader Awlaki, Boston Bomber's Mosque - Houston Daily Digest

[redwitch]

Personally, I think Tal is right. If the issues of today were around some other cause and murders had been in the name of that cause, he would have killed in that manner. He just happened to latch on to a cause that scares the heck out of most sane people.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Personally, I think Tal is right. If the issues of today were around some other cause and murders had been in the name of that cause, he would have killed in that manner. He just happened to latch on to a cause that scares the heck out of most sane people.

I think that your philosophy of religious tolerance is good and fair and kind. But this issue is another animal entirely.

I believe that many gentle and fair people will be forced to look at this issue in a different light. I am sad for that.

We all need to be aware of our surroundings and especially if we see something unusual. It is not politically correct, according to some to profile, but in this issue, we have to think differently.

[sunnyatlast]

Though this butcher may not have been fully linked to the terrorist network, his facebook pictures by the dozens clearly show he aspired to be one of them.

So with this, he not only passed the gang initiation test but wins the prize for being the first to behead a defenseless American in the style of ISIS, on our own soil no less. He's a total hero to them now.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

Though this butcher may not have been fully linked to the terrorist network, his facebook pictures by the dozens clearly show he aspired to be one of them.

So with this, he not only passed the gang initiation test but wins the prize for being the first to behead a defenseless American in the style of ISIS, on our own soil no less. He's a total hero to them now.

Maybe it's now time to state the obvious .... Islam is NOT compatible with American values. Yes, there are plenty of peaceful Muslims etc but there are too many who ideologically, and silently, side with the enemy. The guy in Oklahoma was probably a wacko case, but it still illustrates the point.

For starters, we should begin to find legal ways to impede or eliminate Muslims immigrating into the US. Otherwise, we are creating an even bigger, and more dangerous, threat to our kids and grandkids.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Maybe it's now time to state the obvious .... Islam is NOT compatible with American values. Yes, there are plenty of peaceful Muslims etc but there are too many who ideologically, and silently, side with the enemy. The guy in Oklahoma was probably a wacko case, but it still illustrates the point.

For starters, we should begin to find legal ways to impede or eliminate Muslims immigrating into the US. Otherwise, we are creating an even bigger, and more dangerous, threat to our kids and grandkids.

Well "finding legal ways to impede or illuminate Muslims immigrating into the US" is not going to happen, given our Constitution and laws.

But if they wanted to, the Justice Department could have started on September 12, 2001, to find and deport ALL who have stayed here beyond their expired visas, and all who've entered the U.S. illegally and embedded themselves a long time ago in anonymity within society.

If they wanted to.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Maybe it's now time to state the obvious .... Islam is NOT compatible with American values. Yes, there are plenty of peaceful Muslims etc but there are too many who ideologically, and silently, side with the enemy. The guy in Oklahoma was probably a wacko case, but it still illustrates the point.

For starters, we should begin to find legal ways to impede or eliminate Muslims immigrating into the US. Otherwise, we are creating an even bigger, and more dangerous, threat to our kids and grandkids.

List of American Muslims - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oz has to go! Along with Ali and Tyson. http://www.doctoroz.com/

[graciegirl]

For the last twenty years before we moved here full time we lived with a large and beautiful mosque in our neighborhood and many people took it upon themselves to go there and ask questions. Many Muslims lived among us.

There are those who practice their faith and those who don't. Usually practicing Muslims males have beards and women covered their hair and arms and legs.

Some Jews I know are descendants of those who kept Kosher. Same with Christians and their lifestyles. What we call ourselves is frequently misleading.

[tucson]

Does anyone know the history of Islam?

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

Well "finding legal ways to impede or illuminate Muslims immigrating into the US" is not going to happen, given our Constitution and laws.

But if they wanted to, the Justice Department could have started on September 12, 2001, to find and deport ALL who have stayed here beyond their expired visas, and all who've entered the U.S. illegally and embedded themselves a long time ago in anonymity within society.

If they wanted to.

I agree with your comment about deportation. It's a start. The reason no one has "wanted to" is because they're afraid of even saying it ... PC and all.

I believe there are likely legal ways to curtail immigration from Muslim nations, but have not yet taken the time to research it. Maybe reduce the quotas? I know that immigration was curtailed for 40 some odd years in the early part of the 20th century to let immigrants assimilate. That may be a good idea overall as well. Right now, too many immigrants, Muslim and otherwise, simply don't assimilate in the US culture. Which then begs the question ... why even bother to come here?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by tucson

Does anyone know the history of Islam?

It is very bloody, but then so are pretty much those of every other major religion when the Golden Rule gets trampled usually for various people and their quests for power, territory, glory, money, women, etc.

ISIS is just a perversion of some of the tenets of the Muslim religion.

One thing that Graciegirl's posts kind of alerted me to. If you suspect a terrorist on some bus, plane, etc. he/she probably will be trying to blend in so as not to get caught quickly. That would mean not in traditional Muslim garb.

What is frightening is that these ISIS recruits can blend in because many of them are people you would walk past without a glance.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by tucson

Does anyone know the history of Islam?

Yes, by and large and especially when compared to other religions, Islam has a history of violence. Muhammad was a warrior (and a very good one I might add) while Christ was a pacifist. That tells you a lot in its own right

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It is very bloody, but then so are pretty much those of every other major religion when the Golden Rule gets trampled usually for various people and their quests for power, territory, glory, money, women, etc.

That is simply not true. While all religions have had imperfections and followers with their failings, there is a glaringly obvious difference in the level of aggression and violence between Islam and other major religions.

Do you really deny that?