[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

American Muslims in the United States | Teaching Tolerance

Muslims have been speaking up against violence AND there are probably Muslims bombing ISIS targets as I write this.

Tal, do you ever feel "the world is a tuxedo and you're a pair of brown shoes"? Thank you George Gobel for that quote.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=efHVcgUajtA

I feel that you have presented yourself very well and appreciate your insight.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

American Muslims in the United States | Teaching Tolerance

Muslims have been speaking up against violence AND there are probably Muslims bombing ISIS targets as I write this.

I would bet some of the US military personnel taking part on the attacks on ISIS are Muslims.

Yes, some have spoken up. But my point is not that many, nor anywhere near as many as needed.

Yes, there are many good Muslims in the US military and especially needed with translations/linguists etc. For example (one of many) our success against the Taliban in Oct 2001 (CIA/SOF) would not have been possible without their help.

But, listen carefully .... I am not saying all Muslims are "bad." I am saying that, in general, the basic tenets of Islam are significantly more inclined towards violence than any other major contemporary religion.

In addition, given that radicals in any organization often tend to crowed out the "middle of the roaders" that significant immigration levels of Muslims will inevitably increase the problem. Do you really disagree with that?

[rubicon]

I have spoken of this before . I lived in a suburb west of Minneapolis and found after moving there that many of the professional doctors lawyers engineers were Egyptian, Indian, Pakistians etc. As professionals they assimilated quite well. the Egyptian woman across he street was the epitome of Americanism and was an unusually beautiful creature.

In Minneapolis and the surround area many of the Somoli were rebellious and created trouble for local patrons police ,etc. and of course many wer recruited to fight with extremist.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Yes, some have spoken up. But my point is not that many, nor anywhere near as many as needed.

Yes, there are many good Muslims in the US military and especially needed with translations/linguists etc. For example (one of many) our success against the Taliban in Oct 2001 (CIA/SOF) would not have been possible without their help.

But, listen carefully .... I am not saying all Muslims are "bad." I am saying that, in general, the basic tenets of Islam are significantly more inclined towards violence than any other major contemporary religion.

In addition, given that radicals in any organization often tend to crowed out the "middle of the roaders" that significant immigration levels of Muslims will inevitably increase the problem. Do you really disagree with that?

A better policy might be more stringent examinations of immigrants from certain countries so as to winnow the asylum seekers from the potential terrorists. We should be taking lessons from the Israelis in this regard as they have a very long history of trying to keep out potential terrorists from their changing borders.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

Tal, do you ever feel "the world is a tuxedo and you're a pair of brown shoes"? Thank you George Gobel for that quote.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=efHVcgUajtA

I feel that you have presented yourself very well and appreciate your insight.

Thanks for that clip. I needed that.

[ejp52]

The radical Muslim will try to behead you, a moderate Muslim will hold your feet!

[Bogie Shooter]

Not funny.........

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

I agree the guy yesterday was a wacko who used Islam mainly because it's been in the news.

However, to me, the Ft Hood incident was a screamingly obvious case of a terror attack, not "probably."

How do you explain all the Jihad garbage on his facebook page and others that work with him saying he was trying to convert them to Islam. We need to see these terrorists for what they really are and acknowledge the problem in our country. If we continue to call a duck a goose we will never be able to recognize the enemy we are trying to defeat.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by gomoho

How do you explain all the Jihad garbage on his facebook page and others that work with him saying he was trying to convert them to Islam. We need to see these terrorists for what they really are and acknowledge the problem in our country. If we continue to call a duck a goose we will never be able to recognize the enemy we are trying to defeat.

Well, first of all, if you've read any of my previous posts in this thread, you should recognize that acknowledging the problem with Islam's violent tendencies (ie calling a duck a duck) was precisely one of my points. I could not agree more. Suggest you go back and reread everything starting at the beginning.

However, I do think the guy in OK was most likely a pyscho case which was then exacerbated by the Islamic thing, based on what I know about it.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

Though this butcher may not have been fully linked to the terrorist network, his facebook pictures by the dozens clearly show he aspired to be one of them.

So with this, he not only passed the gang initiation test but wins the prize for being the first to behead a defenseless American in the style of ISIS, on our own soil no less. He's a total hero to them now.

oklahoma beheading - Bing Videos

[wendyquat]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Yes, some have spoken up. But my point is not that many, nor anywhere near as many as needed.

Yes, there are many good Muslims in the US military and especially needed with translations/linguists etc. For example (one of many) our success against the Taliban in Oct 2001 (CIA/SOF) would not have been possible without their help.

But, listen carefully .... I am not saying all Muslims are "bad." I am saying that, in general, the basic tenets of Islam are significantly more inclined towards violence than any other major contemporary religion.

In addition, given that radicals in any organization often tend to crowed out the "middle of the roaders" that significant immigration levels of Muslims will inevitably increase the problem. Do you really disagree with that?

Not just immigration! They average 8 offspring to our 1. You do the math!

[Sophie11]

Can Muslims be good Americans? *****


This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. And send it on to everyone. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.

Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.
THE MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S.

Please don't delete this until you send it on.

[wendyquat]

Originally Posted by Sophie11

Can Muslims be good Americans? *****


This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. And send it on to everyone. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.

Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.
THE MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S.

Please don't delete this until you send it on.

Sadly, I have to agree with you! It is further evidenced by UAEs female fighter pilot, Mariam Al Mansouri whose own family disowned her for dropping bombs on ISIS and states that they support ISIS!

After a police news conference in Oklahoma a large group of Muslims surrounded the police and chanted Praises to Allah!

HELLO!

[Schaumburger]

An observation from someone who is still in the workforce...I have several Muslim coworkers (they are engineers) that I have to work with on a daily basis. If I don't treat them with the same respect and cooperation that I have for non-Muslim coworkers, I could lose my job.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Schaumburger

An observation from someone who is still in the workforce...I have several Muslim coworkers (they are engineers) that I have to work with on a daily basis. If I don't treat them with the same respect and cooperation that I have for non-Muslim coworkers, I could lose my job.

I hope you will look at people based on their individual behaviors and not on whatever the media tells you about some group. I read that attack on Muslims with a bunch of over-generalizations and found it appalling in its ignorance.

I had a good friend at the University of Denver for the University of Mosul Library Mahmood Jergis Mohammad who unfortunately was taken over by the generalizations told to him about us Americans when he got back to Iraq. There was also the Iran-Iraq War going on at full swing back around then so he was expected to fight and his brother was some kind of high ranking officer in Saddam Hussein's army. While my friend was in the US, he was an intelligent, kind, and sophisticated person who happened to be a Muslim. He got taken into the same hate that fuels many wars which is based on sticking individuals into generalizations. I had tried to reason with him through various letters about his hatred towards the West after he got back to Iraq, but found it rather useless as an endeavour and just stopped writing him.

I had met about six other Muslims from different countries while at the University of Denver and all were very different in outlook about the West. None of them though unlike Mahmood were seeing things from probably having to face a battlefield at some point in their lives.

ISIS is stirring up a lot of hatred and fear in Muslim/Arab countries based on the ignorance and stupidity they are selling about us. I do not think we should be adding to these same flames but spreading over-generalizations about Muslims/Arabs.