[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by spring_chicken

Bingo. No way they kill that many in a concert hall where people are allowed to carry.

So what is your time-line here?

Wait until the belt-explosives have been detonated, killing all they are going to kill and blowing all of the terrorists in half - in which case who is left for you to shoot other than innocent club-goers?

Or pre-emptively shoot everyone coming into the club just in case they are terrorists?

You have to have detection systems in place to stop the terrorists BEFORE they get into these places or, better still, intelligence that lets you stop them before they leave their homes.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by villagerjack

This very morning OBAMA said ISIS was completely contained.

I am not an Obama fan but in "all fairness" wasn't he talking about Sinjar and the supply line of ISIS and not the entire ISIS movement?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Walt.

Can you imagine if, in 1943, Winston Churchill announced that Great Britain would take in 10,000 Austrians. Most of them would be men between the ages of 17 and 45. They have no papers and speak German... but he knows they are Austrian because they told him so.
Instead of being the hero that we was, he would have been kicked out of office.

United States Policy Toward Jewish Refugees, 1941

Thought this was very interesting.

Context though is very important.

[Walt.]

How long before we hear that the real danger we have to watch out for is a backlash against peaceful Muslims? Then we'll get reports on the news about some guy in Idaho who "got a dirty look because he's Muslim" and some Muslim waitress in Chicago who has noticed that her tips are smaller than they used to be...

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Why Paris?

Why France if they hit Russia may make some sense

I think France has a high Muslim population. When I was there recently on a river cruise one of the maps they gave us of Paris was in Arabic which surprised me. Some of the French group leaders was quite vocal in her displeasure in having so many in the country. Because they have French passports, they can travel to Syria and return to do things like this.

[Buffalo Jim]

I heard that the attackers may have been offended by a YouTube Video ...........

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Walt.

Can you imagine if, in 1943, Winston Churchill announced that Great Britain would take in 10,000 Austrians. Most of them would be men between the ages of 17 and 45. They have no papers and speak German... but he knows they are Austrian because they told him so.
Instead of being the hero that we was, he would have been kicked out of office.

Walt: The succeeding generations following the the greatest generation has failed to produce statesmen that equal the likes of Winston Churchill and many of the great leaders back then. We do however have high caliber leaders who for self interests know how to make money for themselves. In simpler terms its going from "service to country" to "me first" Truman left office and despite his meager living refused to trade on his name believing he was selling out the presidency. Clinton sold tickets to the Lincoln bedroom.....................

[Taltarzac725]

Let's wait and see who these people were that did this. They look like people who wanted to kill as many other people as possible because of a very warped view of some religion. ISIS is barbaric. It is not the only expression of Islam though in France or pretty much anywhere else except for regions controlled by this fascist regime. The stateless Kurds are right about radical Islam, but the west is too meek to stop Isis

[outlaw]

Coming to a town near you....and remember, no profiling, and no fighting during Ramadan. And have a very, very, merry Chris...er uh...winter solstice..??

[kittygilchrist]

Have been watching Jihad since mid 90's.
Nothing I ever said to people got their attention, all the way forward to July 2014 on totv.
We are idiots, clowns, blind, fools.....

[spring_chicken]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

So what is your time-line here?

Wait until the belt-explosives have been detonated, killing all they are going to kill and blowing all of the terrorists in half - in which case who is left for you to shoot other than innocent club-goers?

Or pre-emptively shoot everyone coming into the club just in case they are terrorists?

You have to have detection systems in place to stop the terrorists BEFORE they get into these places or, better still, intelligence that lets you stop them before they leave their homes.

You keep repeating the explosive angle and I've waited, hoping you would read up on what actually happened in the club, the concert hall and restaurants. It was NOT explosives. It was guns. The actual occurrence was what I based my post on. Not what ifs. You can what if it to death, but
I prefer to stay on topic of what actually happened.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Have been watching Jihad since mid 90's.
Nothing I ever said to people got their attention, all the way forward to July 2014 on totv.
We are idiots, clowns, blind, fools.....

What can be done without becoming a country like USSR under Stalin, Germany under Hitler, China under various leaders, Italy under Mussolini, etc.?

If we want a country where the US Constitution means something...? Remember what was happening in France in 1791? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...s_Constitution

Bill of Rights - Bill of Rights Institute

https://faculty.unlv.edu/gbrown/hist...ces/chrono.htm

[spring_chicken]

Closing our borders and enforcing existing immigration laws would not make us like any of those countries. In fact it would have saved many lives over the last 8 years.

[gomoho]

The refugees have already arrived in Louisiana. The Governor has sent a letter to the President asking for information as to how they were vetted, where are they being placed, who will keep track of them. The flood gates have opened and there is no going back now.

[Taltarzac725]

French Jets Bomb Syria After Police Launched International Manhunt for 'Dangerous' Suspect - ABC News

Looks like the French are doing the right thing and going after the people who planned or somehow supported these horrible crimes in Paris.

You go after the criminals who did these wrongs not the people who just share their religion, nationality, skin color, etc. I thought we learned something from the Japanese Internment? That did stop some of the potential attacks by those with loved of Japanese culture/religion/history, etc in 1941-1946. It also put a stain on the human rights record of this great Nation. Japanese-American Relocation - World War II - HISTORY.com