[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Do you think they are reliable, or are you agreeing with me? Not sure...

Yes.....and NO!!!!

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Caymus

At least they were not hiding China's involvement in spreading Covid.

Was Fox one of the outlets that lied about the Hunter Biden LapTop? or The Wuhan Lab Leak?

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Fauci was on TV from morning to midnight during the Pandemic - I believe that guests get PAID !

Amazing that anyone can believe Fauci's huge increase in wealth came from paid TV appearances. This article in Forbes is very enlightening and described how Faucis almost 400 appearances COSt the taxpayers millions.
Dr. Anthony Fauci’s 400+ Media Events Cost Taxpayers During The Pandemic

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Rush Bimbaugh founded Propaganda USA and Foxy Views ran with the ball.

When I hear someone say Bimbaugh and Foxy I immediately give them no credibility. Using such childish names when discussing a serious matter. Shameful. Do better.

[MrLonzo]

Originally Posted by MandoMan

...Meanwhile, all those profits get paid out to investors

Really? I've invested in Pfizer stock for 20+ years. A lot of those profits get poured back into R&D or marketing, and who knows where else, but it's not going to investors. I get the dividend checks, but the stock price is going nowhere! Right now, it's not even keeping up with inflation. It's been a horrible investment! 20 years ago you could throw darts and pick any technology stock that ultimately ended up with capital appreciation that defines a PFE investment as nothing more than a long-term CD.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers

Too bad you can't REALLY voice an opinion on this site without getting infracted... oh wait... SOME types can.

Have you noticed that too?

[Whitley]

Some people have wrapped up so much of who they are in virtue signaling, that they are unable to admit they were wrong when presented with facts.

We now know that masks do little to nothing to prevent the spread. There were people on this site calling for death by neglect to anyone who would not comply. We now know that natural immunity is as strong, and most probably stronger that the vax regiment. We know now that covid deaths were overstated. We now know that lockdowns caused more harm than any benefit they MAY have had. It was so easy for some (on this site) to scream for the economy to be shut down, not caring about a young family being unable to pay for their shelter, childrens' school, and even health insurance and food. Of course these same people squealed when asked if they would agree not to get their SS checks during the lockdowns. We now know that there are excessive non covid deaths in all countries where the vaccine was pushed. We now know that the virus most likely came from the wuhan lab, the lab that fauci was a proponent to fund with US money. With all of the lies coming out, there are still some (even on this site) who will squeal to to the end that they were right. I guess when you wrap up your entire being into what has proven to be a farce it hurts to admit you were a stooge.

[boblexsue]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Here you go again saying that those channels are not objective.

No one lies more on tv than the nigh time hosts on Fox. They now admit they lied about the election for trump only for ratings ! They didn't believe a word they were saying.

[askcarl]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Fauci is the dude that made big bucks on Covid 19.

Yup, every Gov Leech is retiring on the Beach in Miami. F'ing Doctors... totally useless.

Fact check that on FOXed Newz.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Some people have wrapped up so much of who they are in virtue signaling, that they are unable to admit they were wrong when presented with facts.

We now know that masks do little to nothing to prevent the spread. There were people on this site calling for death by neglect to anyone who would not comply. We now know that natural immunity is as strong, and most probably stronger that the vax regiment. We know now that covid deaths were overstated. We now know that lockdowns caused more harm than any benefit they MAY have had. It was so easy for some (on this site) to scream for the economy to be shut down, not caring about a young family being unable to pay for their shelter, childrens' school, and even health insurance and food. Of course these same people squealed when asked if they would agree not to get their SS checks during the lockdowns. We now know that there are excessive non covid deaths in all countries where the vaccine was pushed. We now know that the virus most likely came from the wuhan lab, the lab that fauci was a proponent to fund with US money. With all of the lies coming out, there are still some (even on this site) who will squeal to to the end that they were right. I guess when you wrap up your entire being into what has proven to be a farce it hurts to admit you were a stooge.

Except we truly "know" almost none of those things. Some emphatically assert those things and grasp at any new announcement as proof of their assertion. Most often they ignore the qualifications and specific conditions provided with those announcements.

For example, masks, used appropriately, *do* help to prevent the spread of viruses. Masking as exercised in the US during the pandemic was doomed to failure. That is not the failure of the mask, it is the failure of the US population. The study I read on the lockdowns made the same point - the way the US population performed the lockdown there wasn't a chance for it to be effective. The specific conditions make a difference.

The sun rises in the east is a lie for most of the year. On only two days of the year does it rise in due east and at the poles it may not rise at all. On the other hand, saying the earth rotates west to east and so sunrise, if it happens, is in the eastern half of the sky is more precise.

There is a difference between a lie with intent to deceive, a mistake, and an answer lacking details. The "lie" label is applied far too often when the real issue is inconvenient details.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by boblexsue

No one lies more on tv than the nigh time hosts on Fox. They now admit they lied about the election for trump only for ratings ! They didn't believe a word they were saying.

Can you PLEASE send me a link to fox saying that. I believe you, I just would like to be able to back it up when I tell someone. Thanks.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Some people have wrapped up so much of who they are in virtue signaling, that they are unable to admit they were wrong when presented with facts.

We now know that masks do little to nothing to prevent the spread. There were people on this site calling for death by neglect to anyone who would not comply. We now know that natural immunity is as strong, and most probably stronger that the vax regiment. We know now that covid deaths were overstated. We now know that lockdowns caused more harm than any benefit they MAY have had. It was so easy for some (on this site) to scream for the economy to be shut down, not caring about a young family being unable to pay for their shelter, childrens' school, and even health insurance and food. Of course these same people squealed when asked if they would agree not to get their SS checks during the lockdowns. We now know that there are excessive non covid deaths in all countries where the vaccine was pushed. We now know that the virus most likely came from the wuhan lab, the lab that fauci was a proponent to fund with US money. With all of the lies coming out, there are still some (even on this site) who will squeal to to the end that they were right. I guess when you wrap up your entire being into what has proven to be a farce it hurts to admit you were a stooge.

........and 20-20 hindsight is a wonderful thing!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Really?

Of 1 million COVID deaths, how many could have been averted with vaccines? : Shots - Health News : NPR

One tragic fact about the nearly 1 million people who died of COVID-19 in the U.S. is that a huge share of them didn't have to.

In Tennessee, 11,047 of the people who died could have survived if everyone in the state had gotten vaccinated. In Ohio, that number is 15,875. Nationally it's nearly 319,000, according a new estimate.


https://globalepidemics.org/vaccinations/

... between January 2021 and April 2022, vaccines could have prevented at least 318,000 Covid-19 deaths. This means that at least every second person who died from Covid-19 since vaccines became available might have been saved by getting the shot.

You forgot the "could have" been averted... and "could have prevented"... and "might have" been saved.... It's a guess...

And no, hospitals were not overrun by patients "drowning in their own respiratory secretions"...

In NYC, they spent $Billions on readying a hospital ship and a New Covid Tent facility. Neither were needed.

In DC, where I work, as well as Suburban MD & VA, the local hospitals had plenty of beds available...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

The difference I see between Sandman and Fox News is there was no accusation that CNN, WaPo, or others knew and discussed the inaccuracy in their reporting then chose to air it anyway. You can (Sandman did) accuse them of not fully researching the story. You can accuse them of jumping to conclusions and airing the story as quickly as possible to get as much attention as possible. But I've not heard anyone accuse them of knowingly disregarding facts to pander to a demographic. On the other hand, it turns out that is what Fox News was doing.

Incorrect. There was ample evidence they were wrong, yet they continued to go with their preferred narrative. THAT was the problem...

The truth came out within 48 hrs, yet they continued to attack hime for well over a week...

I can understand a company making a mistake; too many mistakes and they will lose credibility. When a company is caught spreading information they know is not true, when their internal discussions show they knew it was not true but broadcast it anyway, they have lost credibility as a "News" source.

They knew it was not true within 2 days... Yet they kept attacking him...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

Yes.....and NO!!!!

Well, in that case...