[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Challenger

Amend the Constitution(2nd amendment) ? Be careful what you wish for. There are always unintended consequences. Prohibition sounded like a good idea, at the time.

No one is saying delete it, just that it needs clarification that the right TO BEAR ARMS does not mean NUCLEAR WAR HEADS nor MILITARY STYLE WEAPONS. Where does it end without clarification to eliminate these high capacity magazines and automatic weapons etc. I have never seen a drunk kill mass amounts of people with a whiskey bottle.

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Yes, it is Christmas. And we have the freedom to celebrate it because thousands have fought and died for us to have the constitutional rights we have and can exercise freely.

This video testimony in Congress gives a good perspective....especially the last sentence of this survivor of a gun massacre:

2nd Amendment - Dr. Suzanna Gratia-Hupp testimony - YouTube

Nobody said you didn't have the constitutional right, but why did such a political hot potato have to be brought up on Christmas morning and couldn't wait for another day. Not everyone wants to keep being reminded of this issue over and over on Christmas Day when the title of this thread keep popping up everytime we hit the 'New Posts" button. In light of the forums instructions that says "Please note that political comments or references are not allowed on TOTV and can result in user account restrictions," maybe this discussion, including the political video you've linked, should not be being engaged in at all, but that's for the Admin to determine, not me! I'll just try to move on enjoy what little I have left of Christmas! Peace and goodwill to you all!

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive

I think your barking up the wrong tree. The New Testament didn't change the Old Testament. Jesus said "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. Matthew 5:17

Jesus Affirms the Old Testament

Well said!

[travelguy]

Yes, Jesus affirms what was already in the old testament. The new testament was written many, many years after Christ, by men who never even knew Jesus. I do not believe that anyone at that time even knew what Jesus 'intended'. It has also been speculated that Jesus did not plan to create a new religion or even consider himself as the long awaited messiah. He may have been a learned rabbi of the period, and nothing more. Food for thought!

[Serenoa]

Originally Posted by fofd1091

Think about this "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading ." --Thomas Jefferson

I thought this sounded a little suspect. Sure enough.....

"First known attribution to Jefferson in print: We have found no attributions of this quotation to Thomas Jefferson in print. It has been attributed to him on various sites on the Internet (particularly discussion boards) since at least 2001.

Comments: This quotation has not been found in the writings of Thomas Jefferson. The language is somewhat uncharacteristic of Jefferson's style. "Stand around" in the sense used here is not an expression that can be found in Jefferson's letters. He almost always wrote "every body" instead of "everybody." And there are no instances of the word "reload" (or variations thereof) referring to firearms in Jefferson's writings. "

- Anna Berkes, 9/17/12

Peace is that brief glorious moment in history...(Quotation) « Thomas Jefferson

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

Nobody said you didn't have the constitutional right, but why did such a political hot potato have to be brought up on Christmas morning and couldn't wait for another day. Not everyone wants to keep being reminded of this issue over and over on Christmas Day when the title of this thread keep popping up everytime we hit the 'New Posts" button. In light of the forums instructions that says "Please note that political comments or references are not allowed on TOTV and can result in user account restrictions," maybe this discussion, including the political video you've linked, should not be being engaged in at all, but that's for the Admin to determine, not me! I'll just try to move on enjoy what little I have left of Christmas! Peace and goodwill to you all!

Regarding the statement in bold above, one has the choice to not read the thread again after reading it once and seeing its content.

And as for being "reminded of this issue over and over on Christmas Day when the title of this thread keeps popping up everytime we hit the 'New Posts' button"......' I think many of us have on our minds the 26 families, neighbors, friends, clergy, police etc. in Newtown whose Christmas has been completely devastated by the horrible events at the school. They are the ones whose Christmas has been ruined, and proposals to change the constitution to help them.....well, that's a big question and people have chimed in with their opinions.

[Jim&Fran]

If the other kids had rocks too, the other Bully kids would not throw theirs. If we all had rocks what would you do?

[AJ32162]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

No one is saying delete it, just that it needs clarification that the right TO BEAR ARMS does not mean NUCLEAR WAR HEADS nor MILITARY STYLE WEAPONS. Where does it end without clarification to eliminate these high capacity magazines and automatic weapons etc. I have never seen a drunk kill mass amounts of people with a whiskey bottle.

Drunks use automobiles, not whiskey bottles to kill people, and they do it EVERY day.

[Hancle704]

Isn't this becoming political? A no-no on TOTV

[Jim&Fran]

Originally Posted by Serenoa

I read this somewhere recently: When a child on a playground throws rocks at other children, do we give the other children handfulls of rocks to throw back?

think about it.

. Wow, what great insight. I think you just figured out without realizing it the solution to your rock throwing violence on the playgound.
If the bully with the rock knew in advance that all other 100 children also had rocks, would he then throw his knowing that he would be pelted with 100 in return? Therefore did we just prevent one injured child from having a rock thrown at him or her? Besides, I like your idea of "handfulls of rocks to throw back" Nothing like having more ammo than the bully.
"Rock" solid idea, thanks

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by Serenoa

I thought this sounded a little suspect. Sure enough.....

"First known attribution to Jefferson in print: We have found no attributions of this quotation to Thomas Jefferson in print. It has been attributed to him on various sites on the Internet (particularly discussion boards) since at least 2001.

Comments: This quotation has not been found in the writings of Thomas Jefferson. The language is somewhat uncharacteristic of Jefferson's style. "Stand around" in the sense used here is not an expression that can be found in Jefferson's letters. He almost always wrote "every body" instead of "everybody." And there are no instances of the word "reload" (or variations thereof) referring to firearms in Jefferson's writings. "

- Anna Berkes, 9/17/12

Peace is that brief glorious moment in history...(Quotation) « Thomas Jefferson

I hate it when people do real research and quote "facts". That could ruin a Forum like this

[LndLocked]

Originally Posted by AJ32162

Drunks use automobiles, not whiskey bottles to kill people, and they do it EVERY day.

Which is a big part of why automobiles and their drivers are highly highly regulated.

The framers were very smart guys but not omnipotent. Their is no way the could have foreseen the technological advancement of guns or the insane gun culture that infests this country. In fact I am sure they would be horrified.

In a different thread on this same subject I read about a "cool gun club" that name I found horrifying.

[AJ32162]

Originally Posted by LndLocked

Which is a big part of why automobiles and their drivers are highly highly regulated.

In a different thread on this same subject I read about a "cool gun club" that name I found horrifying.

"Which is a big part of why automobiles and their drivers are highly highly regulated." And yet, the DUIs and alcohol related traffic deaths continue unabated.

I'll take that as a "maybe" on joining the gun club.

[wendyquat]

Originally Posted by LndLocked

Which is a big part of why automobiles and their drivers are highly highly regulated.

The framers were very smart guys but not omnipotent. Their is no way the could have foreseen the technological advancement of guns or the insane gun culture that infests this country. In fact I am sure they would be horrified.

In a different thread on this same subject I read about a "cool gun club" that name I found horrifying.

No really, it is "cool"! Just a tool for teaching folks to be responsible gun owners. It's horrifying to think that some people own guns with no clue how to use them! We need more "cool gun clubs"! Don't knock it if you have no idea what you are talking about!

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Regarding the statement in bold above, one has the choice to not read the thread again after reading it once and seeing its content.

And as for being "reminded of this issue over and over on Christmas Day when the title of this thread keeps popping up everytime we hit the 'New Posts' button"......' I think many of us have on our minds the 26 families, neighbors, friends, clergy, police etc. in Newtown whose Christmas has been completely devastated by the horrible events at the school. They are the ones whose Christmas has been ruined, and proposals to change the constitution to help them.....well, that's a big question and people have chimed in with their opinions.

Did you read what I said in my post in it's entirety, or did you just selectively read then fill in your own meanings and interpretations?

First of all, I said nothing about "reading the posts," but rather "reading the title" which I can't avoid if I'm to enjoy this forum like you do. I also said nothing about what happened in Newtown, even though I do feel for them and their "Christmas being ruined." But Newtown is not the issue or subject of my comments, nor were they mean't to be. It's the constitutional gun control issue and ONLY that issue I am speaking of, which has been a hot political issue for a long time. I have mixed feeling about that subject, but IMHO I felt that Christmas Day was an inappropriate and inconsiderate time for THAT discussion to commence, and even more because we have been warned about engaging in political comments or referencing!

Now if you want to continue with this, that's your choice. But don't expect me to waste time continuing with it!