[Polar Bear]

Imo, hate-filled name calling, and use of terms that are clearly offensive in the eyes of almost all rational human beings, has nothing to do with PC. The attempt to equate the two is an attempt to legitimize PC by those who support it.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Imo, hate-filled name calling, and use of terms that are clearly offensive in the eyes of almost all rational human beings, has nothing to do with PC. The attempt to equate the two is an attempt to legitimize PC by those who support it.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

I am a Department of Defense employee. This year I had to take transgender sensitivity training. That is not a joke. You paid me to take that PC training. I was and am offended. You should be as well. It is impossible to please everyone,political correctness has gone too far.

Teachers are instructing/indoctrinating young kids into this LGBT thing as a civil right and as normal. a drag queen is teaching about transgenders in a NY library and we wondr why ids grow up troubled. Sex education ought to be left to parents.

Personal Best Regards:

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Teachers are instructing/indoctrinating young kids into this LGBT thing as a civil right and as normal. a drag queen is teaching about transgenders in a NY library and we wondr why ids grow up troubled. Sex education ought to be left to parents.

Personal Best Regards:

Yes, the " LBGT thing" IS a civil right. The Supreme Court has decided that same sex marriage is legal.

Sex education ought to left to parents. Yeah, that has worked so well.

[graciegirl]

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[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

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[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Fiction often becomes reality. While others may think you are incorrect to think a fictional novel will become a reality only need to look at what is acceptable today versus 50 years ago. PC culture is as dangerous as any other limiting idea which strives to limit personal expression based only in secular wisdom.

The other seminal novel about a dystopian future, Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, was produced a few years before the novel 1984.

There are major contrasts between the two novels, but as in 1984 many elements of the Brave New World story can be seen in our current culture.

In Brave New World the government is devoted to promoting a life of pleasure for every citizen. Although there is a rigid class structure that is determined for each person before birth, every person is "conditioned" to believe that his class is best for him so he never becomes discontented.

There are no sexual morals, and there is no marriage; there is a State Motto that declares that "Everyone belongs to everyone else." Recreational drugs are dispensed by the government. Entertainment (especially movies in which you feel what the actors are depicting - called "Feelies") are everyday events.

There is little danger of revolt against the government because citizens are immersed in a painless, amusement-sodden, and stress-free consensus. There is no old age. As a person gets older, he has "galloping senility" and dies quickly. No one is buried. The bodies are recycled for energy to contribute further to society.

There is no viviparous birth. Human ova are nourished in World Hatcheries where their future class and occupation is pre-determined by the chemicals injected in their bottle, and by exposure to heat and cold, and other conditions.

The tension in the novel is introduced by the presence of "Mr. Savage," who is discovered on an American Indian Reservation where he was a live birth to a "Beta" class woman who had accidentally become pregnant, and who was abandoned on the Reservation by the man who impregnated her.

The son, John, (Savage) is brought back to Civilization, but he has not had the benefit of social conditioning, and he has been deeply immersed in Shakespeare and the King James version of the Bible. In particular, there is tension between the absence of sexual morals in the woman to whom John is attracted, and his strict view of sexual morals learned from the Bible.

What is John to do? Abandon his morals? Return to the Reservation? Strive to fit in to the culture in which he finds himself? Or..........

The novel is a very good read and I recommend it highly.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

The other seminal novel about a dystopian future, Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, was produced a few years before the novel 1984.

There are major contrasts between the two novels, but as in 1984 many elements of the Brave New World story can be seen in our current culture.

In Brave New World the government is devoted to promoting a life of pleasure for every citizen. Although there is a rigid class structure that is determined for each person before birth, every person is "conditioned" to believe that his class is best for him so he never becomes discontented.

There are no sexual morals, and there is no marriage; there is a State Motto that declares that "Everyone belongs to everyone else." Recreational drugs are dispensed by the government. Entertainment (especially movies in which you feel what the actors are depicting - called "Feelies") are everyday events.

There is little danger of revolt against the government because citizens are immersed in a painless, amusement-sodden, and stress-free consensus. There is no old age. As a person gets older, he has "galloping senility" and dies quickly. No one is buried. The bodies are recycled for energy to contribute further to society.

There is no oviparous birth. Human ova are nourished in World Hatcheries where their future class and occupation is pre-determined by the chemicals injected in their bottle, and by exposure to heat and cold, and other conditions.

The tension in the novel is introduced by the presence of "Mr. Savage," who is discovered on an American Indian Reservation where he was a live birth to a "Beta" class woman who had accidentally become pregnant, and who was abandoned on the Reservation by the man who impregnated her.

The son, John, (Savage) is brought back to Civilization, but he has not had the benefit of social conditioning, and he has been deeply immersed in Shakespeare and the King James version of the Bible. In particular, there is tension between the absence of sexual morals in the woman to whom John is attracted, and his strict view of sexual morals learned from the Bible.

What is John to do? Abandon his morals? Return to the Reservation? Strive to fit in to the culture in which he finds himself? Or..........

The novel is a very good read and I recommend it highly.

Amazing how fiction can predict trends in society. I'm glad I will not survive to see it happen.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Fiction often becomes reality. While others may think you are incorrect to think a fictional novel will become a reality only need to look at what is acceptable today versus 50 years ago. PC culture is as dangerous as any other limiting idea which strives to limit personal expression based only in secular wisdom.

Really?

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Amazing how fiction can predict trends in society. I'm glad I will not survive to see it happen.

Another element of 1984, that we have not touched upon is the pervasive surveillance of the populace by the government.

In 1984 every residence had a big screen television which had the capability of allowing the government to see into the room. We are seeing a step towards that condition with the fact that the new "Smart Television" sets are subject to having people outside your home see and hear what is going on in your house.


In addition, the Amazon corporation has acknowledged that their "Alexa" (or Echo) home appliance control system is capable of hearing every conversation that takes place within earshot. And, every conversation is recorded. Their earlier claim that the system was activated only when you said the alerting code word (Alexa or Echo) and then asked a question or gave an order was not true.

And, by now we all know that video cameras are present everywhere in public and private locations. This comes to light when there is a crime, a terrorist attack, or other noteworthy event takes place, and video becomes available. There are video cameras all over The Villages. In addition, more and more police cars (and private cars) have dash cameras, and police are starting to wear personal cameras.

Also, the National Security Agency has acknowledged that they collect "metadata" that indicates the calling number and called number of every telephone in the United States. In the case of representatives of foreign governments, the actual conversation is recorded, often sweeping American citizens into the collection.

Perhaps you don't know that there are programs which allow the government, and hackers, to turn on your cell telephone when it is turned off, and listen and watch what is going on.

It used to be that if you stepped foot outside your house you were being recorded. Now you may be recorded while you are inside your house. The same applies to many computer cameras, which is why people now put a piece of tape over the camera lens on their computer.

This is one prediction of 1984 that has come to pass. Big Brother is watching you.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

Another element of 1984, that we have not touched upon is the pervasive surveillance of the populace by the government.

In 1984 every residence had a big screen television which had the capability of allowing the government to see into the room. We are seeing a step towards that condition with the fact that the new "Smart Television" sets are subject to having people outside your home see and hear what is going on in your house.


In addition, the Amazon corporation has acknowledged that their "Alexa" (or Echo) home appliance control system is capable of hearing every conversation that takes place within earshot. And, every conversation is recorded. Their earlier claim that the system was activated only when you said the alerting code word (Alexa or Echo) and then asked a question or gave an order was not true.

And, by now we all know that video cameras are present everywhere in public and private locations. This comes to light when there is a crime, a terrorist attack, or other noteworthy event takes place, and video becomes available. There are video cameras all over The Villages. In addition, more and more police cars (and private cars) have dash cameras, and police are starting to wear personal cameras.

Also, the National Security Agency has acknowledged that they collect "metadata" that indicates the calling number and called number of every telephone in the United States. In the case of representatives of foreign governments, the actual conversation is recorded, often sweeping American citizens into the collection.

Perhaps you don't know that there are programs which allow the government, and hackers, to turn on your cell telephone when it is turned off, and listen and watch what is going on.

It used to be that if you stepped foot outside your house you were being recorded. Now you may be recorded while you are inside your house. The same applies to many computer cameras, which is why people now put a piece of tape over the camera lens on their computer.

This is one prediction of 1984 that has come to pass. Big Brother is watching you.

Today there are systems that take all that data, crunch it, and perdict your responce at over a 90% accuracy.

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

Another element of 1984, that we have not touched upon is the pervasive surveillance of the populace by the government.

In 1984 every residence had a big screen television which had the capability of allowing the government to see into the room. We are seeing a step towards that condition with the fact that the new "Smart Television" sets are subject to having people outside your home see and hear what is going on in your house.


In addition, the Amazon corporation has acknowledged that their "Alexa" (or Echo) home appliance control system is capable of hearing every conversation that takes place within earshot. And, every conversation is recorded. Their earlier claim that the system was activated only when you said the alerting code word (Alexa or Echo) and then asked a question or gave an order was not true.

And, by now we all know that video cameras are present everywhere in public and private locations. This comes to light when there is a crime, a terrorist attack, or other noteworthy event takes place, and video becomes available. There are video cameras all over The Villages. In addition, more and more police cars (and private cars) have dash cameras, and police are starting to wear personal cameras.

Also, the National Security Agency has acknowledged that they collect "metadata" that indicates the calling number and called number of every telephone in the United States. In the case of representatives of foreign governments, the actual conversation is recorded, often sweeping American citizens into the collection.

Perhaps you don't know that there are programs which allow the government, and hackers, to turn on your cell telephone when it is turned off, and listen and watch what is going on.

It used to be that if you stepped foot outside your house you were being recorded. Now you may be recorded while you are inside your house. The same applies to many computer cameras, which is why people now put a piece of tape over the camera lens on their computer.

This is one prediction of 1984 that has come to pass. Big Brother is watching you.

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[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

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If I had to choose between some arguments on here, I would choose Carl's about 90% of the time. He is a decent person and never uses anything but respectful language toward others in this Forum.. He is an ex Secret Service member and could tell us tons and tons if he could.

He is well read and very articulate which is a gift, because a lot of smart people are not as well spoken as Carl from Tampa.

We have met him and his lady companion and they don't disappoint in person. I wish he lived here instead of Tampa. The world needs more folks like him.

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

If I had to choose between some arguments on here, I would choose Carl's about 90% of the time. He is a decent person and never uses anything but respectful language toward others in this Forum.. He is an ex Secret Service member and could tell us tons and tons if he could.

He is well read and very articulate which is a gift, because a lot of smart people are not as well spoken as Carl from Tampa.

We have met him and his lady companion and they don't disappoint in person. I wish he lived here instead of Tampa. The world needs more folks like him.

Thank you for the kind words, Gracie. If I were still able-bodied I would still be living in The Villages. However, my disability (no Political Correct language; I am handicapped) would be too much of a burden on Barbara for me to stay up there.

One of the very positive results of having found the TOTV website is having met you and your gracious family in person.

Let me take this opportunity to mention that I join you in wholehearted support of the Morse family for having developed the finest development for seniors that I have ever seen. There are others that are "nice," including those of Lawrence Welk and Del Webb.

There are retired Secret Service Agents of my demographic living in senior developments all over the country, including several in The Villages. I have visited some of these developments. None are as comprehensive in facilities, activities, and amenities, as The Villages.

To those who are discontent here, I can only say, "Go in Peace." The Villages is not for everyone, so seek something that suits you better. But, attacks on the Morse family and their manner of doing business is inappropriate and usually appears to be founded on class envy or jealousy.

Thanks, again, Gracie, for the support. I'll work on that other 10%.

[Rockyrd]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

Another element of 1984, that we have not touched upon is the pervasive surveillance of the populace by the government.

In 1984 every residence had a big screen television which had the capability of allowing the government to see into the room. We are seeing a step towards that condition with the fact that the new "Smart Television" sets are subject to having people outside your home see and hear what is going on in your house.


In addition, the Amazon corporation has acknowledged that their "Alexa" (or Echo) home appliance control system is capable of hearing every conversation that takes place within earshot. And, every conversation is recorded. Their earlier claim that the system was activated only when you said the alerting code word (Alexa or Echo) and then asked a question or gave an order was not true.

And, by now we all know that video cameras are present everywhere in public and private locations. This comes to light when there is a crime, a terrorist attack, or other noteworthy event takes place, and video becomes available. There are video cameras all over The Villages. In addition, more and more police cars (and private cars) have dash cameras, and police are starting to wear personal cameras.

Also, the National Security Agency has acknowledged that they collect "metadata" that indicates the calling number and called number of every telephone in the United States. In the case of representatives of foreign governments, the actual conversation is recorded, often sweeping American citizens into the collection.

Perhaps you don't know that there are programs which allow the government, and hackers, to turn on your cell telephone when it is turned off, and listen and watch what is going on.

It used to be that if you stepped foot outside your house you were being recorded. Now you may be recorded while you are inside your house. The same applies to many computer cameras, which is why people now put a piece of tape over the camera lens on their computer.

This is one prediction of 1984 that has come to pass. Big Brother is watching you.

Another of the 1984 plot lines was "alternate facts", "emotional nationalism", which we are subject to today in our country.

Orwell wrote not of any party and blamed both sides rightfully so for the rise of this type of rhetoric as he lived through the rise of governments based on these things.

That and a term I like that he feared..."disbelieve in the existence of objective truth" always ring in my ears, almost on a daily basis.

The "listening" is not new and I am afraid we are going to have to get used to it, but I fear with great dread the day when we lose touch with truth.....when we are faced with preaching of "alternate facts"