[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Nick B

No relation to anti vax and watching Fox? Please ROFLMAO

You are responding to me? Did I say that ?
I believe I was inferring that some folks make decisions based on their own reasoning, and are not necessarily basing their decisions on other folks OPINIONS.
Case in point: I do not get the flu vaccination. I base that on the fact that I seem to be able to either avoid the flu or I have some resistance to it. I have never had the flu. I also stated that if I ever catch the flu, I might consider getting the vaccination....maybe.
I do not watch FOX or other TV news, other than local news for the weather....sometimes. I mostly get my weather from the internet via my phone. I also get most of my news from the Internet, because I enjoy filtering what I might be interested in by reading the headlines first.
If you wish to make other folks' decisions to be politically motivated, then perhaps you do not have any respect for anyone's ability to thoughtfully reason and make decisions based on what they discern as common sense reasoned facts or evidence.

[kendi]

Probably the same number since they cannot be assured of the long term safety of the vaccine for a long long time.

[PersonalChoice]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I am extremely skeptical about this undocumented hearsay.

I personally know of six people who were very sick with Covid and know of four people who died. One who said things just like you are saying. He rode his bike around the neighborhood. He died within six days of getting sick.

I ask you and your daughter in law, what would be the reason for saying someone died of Covid when they did not. Do not say money. These people had relatives. Do you think I would let someone say my mother died of Covid when she had a malignant brain tumor? It just doesn't make sense. It is another conspiracy theory. People died of Covid. Hospitals didn't get more money if they died of Covid. That is pure foolishness and it makes me really mad.

My brother-in-law was very ill while receiving chemo treatments for cancer. While in the hospital he contracted pneumonia and died. His cause of death was listed as dying from CoVid-19. The CoVid-19 numbers are being inflated, in my opinion.

[Ben Franklin]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

WOW - nothing political in that post. Well, let's give it at least to the end of 2022 before we (you) start assuming that all the non-vaccinated people made the poorer choice. I think the worst is yet to come ... not from those who are relying on their God-given immune systems but rather from those who now have compromised immune systems due to the mRNA shots (not a vaccine). It is those vaccinated people that will begin to overwhelm the healthcare system in a vain attempt to undo the damage to their bodies.

Unfortunately, what you have done to your body can not be reversed. You now OWN this little piece of mRNA. Sure, you have a bunch of scientists that say the mRNA is not permanent and will "disappear". I have a bunch of scientists that say otherwise. It doesn't matter whether you are in the majority or not. The majority can be wrong. Majority does not rule here. Only reality rules.

The mRNA shots have not been fully tested on humans. They are being tested now (on you). It matters very little what Fauci (now a proven liar), CDC, NIH as well as any talking TV heads have to say. We will know soon enough what is true and what is not true. Having the majority agree with you does not make you any safer. Good luck with your decision to take the shot (not a vaccine). You may not die from Covid. We'll see later what the shot itself does.

" I think the worst is yet to come ... not from those who are relying on their God-given immune systems but rather from those who now have compromised immune systems due to the mRNA shots (not a vaccine). It is those vaccinated people that will begin to overwhelm the healthcare system in a vain attempt to undo the damage to their bodies.

I don't believe god has been proven yet, either, so there's that...

[joedi]

Talk with a nurse who worked in ICU at the villages hospital and now is not because of the lies that were told. This nurse said over 500 villagers died and this person know because they helped put these people in Body bags so virus was contained inside bag. The truth was never been told because they dont want villagers to panic.

Originally Posted by Swoop

With the current seven day average of Covid coded deaths in the US, and based on the CDC numbers, the chances of dying with Covid are about equal to your chances of dying from a stroke. You have a greater chance of dying in an accident than dying with Covid. And you are 4X more likely to die from cancer and 4.5X more likely to die from heart disease.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Ben Franklin

Maybe you can ask those who received the, not fully tested polio vaccine, how they faired.

That actually took place in 1935, 20 years before Salk developed his vaccine. Needless to say, the results were not good and the distribution was suspended...

Even some of the production of Salk’s vaccine had issues: In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10.

The big difference with polio is that it was indiscriminate, it effected the sick and the healthy & the old and the young alike. Anyone can potentially acquire Covid, but it doesn’t effect everyone equally. It effects the old, the obese and the unhealthy to a much greater degree than the balance of the population.
The idea of giving the vaccine to healthy children, is truly absurd. No one knows what the long term side effects can or will be. Why risk that when those children are statistically not at risk from Covid?!?

[Pat2015]

There is now evidence that even if you got vaccinated that you might not have COVID antibodies if you take immune suppressant drugs. Seems like some people taking those kinds of drugs weren’t part of any clinical studies before the vaccines were released and after being fully vaccinated are now testing the same as non vaccinated people with no antibodies. As I’ve said before this is an ongoing clinical study in which all vaccinated people are being studied for side effects as well as vaccine efficiencies.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by joedi

Talk with a nurse who worked in ICU at the villages hospital and now is not because of the lies that were told. This nurse said over 500 villagers died and this person know because they helped put these people in Body bags so virus was contained inside bag. The truth was never been told because they dont want villagers to panic.

Any proof of this? Any?? You are passing on hearsay.

[Dilligas]

Originally Posted by donassaid

It's not a vaccine. It's "experimental " gene therapy that has killed hundreds and sickened thousands. All for what? A virus that 99% of people survive. Now who's crazy?

You need to stop reading the internet. It is not all factual. There are hundreds of millions of people world wide that have received one of the vaccines (or as you call it experimental gene therapy) and have lived, not been infected with Covid -19. You can not say the same for those who avoid the innoculations.....check out India currently.

[newgirl]

Unless the one. Dying is someone YOU love!
Ignorance is not bliss, it's dangerous.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by joedi

Talk with a nurse who worked in ICU at the villages hospital and now is not because of the lies that were told. This nurse said over 500 villagers died and this person know because they helped put these people in Body bags so virus was contained inside bag. The truth was never been told because they dont want villagers to panic.

At the Villages hospital? 500? Wow, was that due to the long waiting time in the Emergency Room?

[Byte1]

The current death rate reported in the NEWS is supposed to be the lowest it's been since March 2020.
Either transmission is slowing
It's getting weaker
They know how to treat it now
Or
Due to the vaccinations, it has no place to incubate.

Or, maybe all of the above?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

With the current seven day average of Covid coded deaths in the US, and based on the CDC numbers, the chances of dying with Covid are about equal to your chances of dying from a stroke. You have a greater chance of dying in an accident than dying with Covid. And you are 4X more likely to die from cancer and 4.5X more likely to die from heart disease.

And the improvement IS due to increased vaccinations. Which, strangely, you have ALWAYS spoken against. What happened? A change of heart? A return to reality?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

The actual number surrounding the COVID pandemic will not be "known" probably for decades. Scientists are still debating the numbers from the Spanish Flu. It is an easy thing to evaluate. There are many complicating factors, one of which is the cause of death determination, which many here repeatedly mention.

We can be fairly sure of how many people died with COVID. But even that number is not appearing to be significantly underreported. And then of course there are the long haulers - who we are just now learning about.

One interesting unexpected side effect is two variants of the seasonal flu appear to be eliminated as a result of people wearing masks and social distancing.

Australia found out the same thing about Flu and increased mask wearing.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And the improvement IS due to increased vaccinations. Which, strangely, you have ALWAYS spoken against. What happened? A change of heart? A return to reality?

I am sure the vaccines have had an impact. As I have stated before, the previous Covid viruses MERS & SARS weakened on their own. One lasted less than two years and the other outbreak lasted less than three years. There was no vaccine for either.

Many high risk individuals have died with Covid. A large number of the remaining high risk group have been vaccinated. At this point, roughly 1/2 of the US population has been vaccinated but Covid deaths are down at a considerably more than 50%.

I have always believed that if you are at risk, you should strongly consider getting vaccinated. However no one knows if there will be any long term side effects from the mRNA vaccines. So I still believe that personally, the potential risk outweighs the reward, considering I am not in the at risk group.