[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by tjlee500

Incarcerations costs big bucks. There is constant pressure not to increase taxes or allocate more funds. Politicians want to be reelected to they will shy away from tax hikes. Same pressure on judges and prosecutors.

Reform is also needed: Overall, there are roughly 23,000 people still in jail for marijuana possession as their sole offense; and as of 2020, over 45 percent of nationwide monthly violations are still drug-related.

Personally, I believe the family structure in America no longer exists in many places and children grow without, respect, love, consequences and care.

Many of those incarcerated for "possession" as their sole offense, really were dealers and had gun charges that were dropped if they pled to lower charges...

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MandoMan

I’ve just read about a guy who stole two cartons of ice cream and some whipped cream from Walmart at Buffalo Ridge and was charged with a felony and released on bail. A 60 year old Villager who was found high and passed out under a shady tree in his neighborhood was charged with a felony for have a vaping device and an ounce of THC oil. He was released on bail, too. (The odd thing is that he could have gone to a marijuana doctor, said he felt anxious, and received a license letting him have that stuff legally.)

Neither is likely to serve a day in jail for these crimes. The thing is, prison is very expensive. Apart from the fact that criminals choose to be criminals and that their actions damage or destroy lives and property, including their own, what are you willing to pay to put someone behind bars? Any trial is expensive by the time you pay for the time of all the people involved, from deputies to court reporters to janitors. Are you willing for we the people to pay, say, a total of $20,000 to mete out a 30 day sentence and another $30,000 for the incarceration costs? All for $10 worth of ice cream? A jury trial is much more expensive. District Attorneys don’t want to spend that money and time if they aren’t pretty much sure of a conviction. I read recently that incarceration in the New York City area exceeds $500,000 per year per prisoner. I’ve heard that it’s not much cheaper in Florida, but I’m not sure.

I myself believe we should follow the 13th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (ratified in 1865): “ Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” Sell these convicts as slaves or indentured servants for the term of their incarceration and let them do difficult and dangerous work. Better yet, make many violent crimes capital offenses and carry out the sentence within a few weeks in a humane way, like putting down a dog. I know most readers will disagree. Just my feeling on the topic. It would be cheaper and better for society and decrease the number of repeat offenders. I consider prison worse than death.

Lots of stuff there. Personally, I would NOT want the 60-year-old Village man to be charged with a FELONY. If I were running the world that would be ONLY a misdemeanor.
.........I would NOT, "sell prisoners as slaves". And if it was an "open and shut" case that someone murdered another person, then I would have NO problem with a swift execution to save taxpayer money. But, rape and battery or some lesser violent crimes, I would be inclined toward long terms in prison.
........And have prisons more like the Japanese style with harsher conditions and more rehabilitation for when they get out later in life.

[fdpaq0580]

Just remembering a line from old movies that police would sometimes say, "stop or I will shoot". If the person didn't give up and got shot, it was their own fault.

And what ever happened to "three strikes, you're out"? For violent crime it seems reasonable to me.

How about using a lie detector to help determine if one leaving incarceration is fit, mentally and emotionally to be released back into society. Just one of many diagnostic tools.

Q. Is allowing groups of people with "bad or violent tendencies" to gather and "socialize" a good or bad idea?

At what point, if ever, does the incarcerated finally understand and accept the fact that the reason the are in prison is their own fault?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

An all-too-common misapprehension. As a matter of fact, the only provable correlation between money spent for public school education and the quality of the finished product (graduation rates, test scores, post-secondary education rates) is inverse. Take any state you care to choose, compare the money spent for public schooling district-to-district, and then apply the criteria mentioned and I’ll guarantee you that as a whole the districts that spend the most, have the poorest results. To propose addressing that problem by throwing even more money at those districts is the definition of illogic.

There is a very good reason for this, and it has nothing to do with the schools. It has everything to do with how the kids are socialized. There are of course exceptions, but in general a kid’s direction in life is determined between birth and age five when the majority of that kid’s socialization happens. So what do you think will be the result if a young toddler is exposed to two wholesome parental influences, solid role-models, praise given to older siblings who succeed in school, a strong moral code with solid values, etc., as compared to a kid who from infancy on hears about how bad the establishment (read “Whitey”) is, whose only parental influence may very well be only a mother whose “mothering” is tepid at best, no solid father figure but rather a series of older males (siblings, whatever) who are involved with the criminal justice system from a very young age, whose knowledge of the school system before he ever entered it extends to hearing it ridiculed at home and those who succeed in school routinely put down, and then topped off by being told by various means that he is incapable of succeeding UNLESS he accepts help from the very establishment he has been taught to hate—and what is the result? Answer is obvious. Many if not most of these kids are beyond hope by the time the school system has anything at all to do with them, and to expect to buy miracles by throwing ever-more money at the schools who have to deal with these kids—well, in my book that’s a pretty good definition of insanity.

The only logical answer to this is the one the advocates would never allow, and that is to fix these kids during that zero-to-five window when his or her future is shaped, and that can happen only if the family itself is fixed. All the present course dictates is that we will be saddled with a permanent underclass that our own shortsightedness helped bring into being.

Last paragraph...."the zero to 5 age window".........well there has been SOME addressing of that problem. The lunch or breakfast idea - so that they don't have their brains stunted due to malnutrition. And school attendance is getting earlier and earlier - they are called preschool programs. PBS also has childhood and preschool educational and MOTIVATING.
......The 1st paragraph....."take ANY state you choose".......Well, I chose to NOT pick a state because I wanted to compare all US states to Finland , Estonia, France, Sweden, and etc. That is the comparison to make and I believe that the European countries VALUE their teachers MORE than we do.( and pay them more and REQUIRE MORE qualifications than we do)
.........Now, the middle paragraph.......I was in agreement with MOST of it. It lost me with the "Whitey" reference because that is a little....you know------------. Also, there are single WHITE mothers or fathers that are financially and attitude-wise INCAPABLE of providing a SAFE and loving home - and yes DRUGS can play a big role.
........Overall, these problems of preschool kids WOULD OFTEN lead to lives of crime and incarceration. I would like to see a cost-benefit analysis that might PROVE that it is cheaper to raise some taxes and get GOOD teachers and preschool activities and nutrition versus the COST of PRISON incarceration. Plus add in the cost to society of crime and murders. Difficult to put a dollar amount on a human life. There was that volleyball college lady from Tn. that lost BOTH legs AFTER some violent criminal attack. She HAD a lot of future potential and now has a great setback.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by GizmoWhiskers

At a very basic level, stupidity in the thought that the gift of freedom will automatically result in a redemption and a change in morals and values.

A deeper possible answer, to create a downfall of the US through total chaos. Leading good citizens that have morals and values to NEEDING the government to rescue society through policing those not falling in line with political agendas, classic, what do you call it?... communism?

Maybe Prosecutors and Judges are more important than people give credit? Is the US slowly being infiltrated through elections in the judicial process? Will the Villages will see more crime if there is a slow burn of "punishment fits the crime" and law enforcement and elected judicials being "woke"?
Could third world status of the US be knocking at the door in an effort to bring this country to its knees?

Who knows, but long as our golf courses stay nice we will all be OK.

As far as conspiracy theories go..........I would think that it MIGHT(?) be possible for Russia to have HELPED in the distribution of killer Fentanyl into the US. That IS possible.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Veracity

I have not. But, I'm interested to hear why you ask this question. Can you please elaborate?

College today has a lot MORE veracity.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by talonip

QUOTE=Pairadocs;2190786]As you pointed out, it is a very complicated, interrelated, issue, and most people want ONE SIMPLE answer. Have adult children in St. Louis. Interesting and tragic situation there right now. Young female teen, in town with her parents, volleyball team, and coach from her high school in Tennessee (big tournament) just lost BOTH of her legs as a result of an individual with a horrendous criminal record and, like so many cases now, should never have been free to harm anymore people. But that brings us back to the point of their chief circuit attorney, Kim Gardner, may finally be removed from office. But.... this is the same story over and over in nearly every big city. If and when some of these people are finally removed for incompetency, will it really make a difference ? Or. do our larger cities have so many complex and interrelated problems they are "insolvable" ? It would be a start, but, would her removal (or resignation) change things ?

Who appointed Kim Gardner? This is the big question. The answer is money provided by non other than George. George who? Soros. He is trying to destabilize our citys by doing that and creating mass chaos so what will happen? Martial law. He is funding many more city prosecutors around the country. How do you take down a country? Martial law![/QUOTE]
Well, the old saying really IS, "Let George Do It".

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Javin53

Well I am curious if those that sympathize have ever gone through an event. Just had our house up north burglarized, thrashed and our other car stolen right out of our garage. My wife is totally traumatized and not sure she can go back in house.

The only good news is the ******* was caught a few days later riding around in my car.

Because he had mask on and gloves and Hoodi they won't prosecute for actual burglary. Only for possession of stolen goods, a felony, and drugs and such. Looked him up online......20 pages of previous offenses.....and he is still out on the street. 45 yrs old.....so don't talk about rehabilitation. He should be in jail for the rest of his life before he kills someone. Or maybe take up a little mid east justice and chop off his hands.

Yes very ****ed off right now. Ill gladly pay more taxes to put these creeps where they belong.

I agree except the "chopped hands" part. We lost $ 2K of tools here in TV Land to a burglary and about $ 20 K of household stuff and vehicles in Tn. burned down by criminals that left a "calling card" of many crack needles - we were here in Fl at the time, fortunately. Police there had a shootout with the WHITE old gang leader and he pulled his gun and they shot him very DEAD. I was sad about losing the house, but NOT too much for his loss.
........So, I can relate to your loss!!!!!!!!!!! It is a SO_.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

We should start a thread.

I could have had a bazooka, a tank, and a squad of Marines with me when these atrocities happened to me because we were out of town. Even 2 states away when it happened. Unless I had a camera system protecting the 2 houses and the speed of Superman, no gun of ANY kind could have helped my situation and many other people's situation as well.
.........The answer to crime is to have a SYSTEMIC solution, NOT just a gun in your pocket or purse. But, in SOME situations it would HELP, of course.

[tjlee500]

I am sick and tired of people using the word Woke for everything they have an issue with. Look up the real definition.

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by tjlee500

I am sick and tired of people using the word Woke for everything they have an issue with. Look up the real definition.

Who decides the "real" definition?

[jedalton]

FYI, George Sorus "bought" 27 State attorney generals. They only proscute who he tells them to.

[Sandy and Ed]

Originally Posted by star20166@yahoo.com

They are following the law and procedure laid out for them by their progressive political masters. Criminal Justice is just another one of those systems that used to work just fine until woke progressivism became the order of the day. No immediate solution but to identify the really bad ones and vote them out and impeach Judges that will not follow the law. This will be very difficult as our standards in Judicial selection have flipped. Many Judges now state at their appointment hearings that they do not consider the Constitution in their legal considerations and get appointed to the Federal bench anyway.

If a law is constitutionally correct and there are minimum sentences ( not guidelines) and a person is judged guilty by a jury of peers and has gone through a fast appeal process (also adjudicated by peers) why the heck would you even need a judge?? Or a District Attorney to decide if the perp would be charged? My admittedly uneducated opinion is that our legal system has become entirely too complicated. No, I do not think Sharia is a good alternative (know it was said in jest) but something a bit more stringent is needed on our system.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Last paragraph...."the zero to 5 age window".........well there has been SOME addressing of that problem. The lunch or breakfast idea - so that they don't have their brains stunted due to malnutrition. And school attendance is getting earlier and earlier - they are called preschool programs. PBS also has childhood and preschool educational and MOTIVATING.
......The 1st paragraph....."take ANY state you choose".......Well, I chose to NOT pick a state because I wanted to compare all US states to Finland , Estonia, France, Sweden, and etc. That is the comparison to make and I believe that the European countries VALUE their teachers MORE than we do.( and pay them more and REQUIRE MORE qualifications than we do)
.........Now, the middle paragraph.......I was in agreement with MOST of it. It lost me with the "Whitey" reference because that is a little....you know------------. Also, there are single WHITE mothers or fathers that are financially and attitude-wise INCAPABLE of providing a SAFE and loving home - and yes DRUGS can play a big role.
........Overall, these problems of preschool kids WOULD OFTEN lead to lives of crime and incarceration. I would like to see a cost-benefit analysis that might PROVE that it is cheaper to raise some taxes and get GOOD teachers and preschool activities and nutrition versus the COST of PRISON incarceration. Plus add in the cost to society of crime and murders. Difficult to put a dollar amount on a human life. There was that volleyball college lady from Tn. that lost BOTH legs AFTER some violent criminal attack. She HAD a lot of future potential and now has a great setback.

It would be far better to do a comparative study of the children entering the public school systems for the first time in the inner cities of Finland, Estonia, Sweden, etc., as compared to a similar group of inner-city children in American public schools. Compare things like how many of each group come from two-parent households, homes where the parents support the family rather than depending on the dole, criminal activity family-to-family, Academic records of older siblings, etc. How do you think the derived statistics relating to the American kids would compare to those of their Nordic counterparts?

It has nothing to do with intelligence. Kids at birth are blank slates and there have been no independently verifiable statistics that show that children of any one ethnicity are brighter or less intelligent than any other. It has everything to do with motivation. And kids from homes that stress positive values and value achievement within the system are going to be far more motivated.

You can’t teach a kid that has decided he or she doesn’t want to be taught.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Last paragraph...."the zero to 5 age window".........well there has been SOME addressing of that problem. The lunch or breakfast idea - so that they don't have their brains stunted due to malnutrition. And school attendance is getting earlier and earlier - they are called preschool programs. PBS also has childhood and preschool educational and MOTIVATING.
......The 1st paragraph....."take ANY state you choose".......Well, I chose to NOT pick a state because I wanted to compare all US states to Finland , Estonia, France, Sweden, and etc. That is the comparison to make and I believe that the European countries VALUE their teachers MORE than we do.( and pay them more and REQUIRE MORE qualifications than we do)
.........Now, the middle paragraph.......I was in agreement with MOST of it. It lost me with the "Whitey" reference because that is a little....you know------------. Also, there are single WHITE mothers or fathers that are financially and attitude-wise INCAPABLE of providing a SAFE and loving home - and yes DRUGS can play a big role.
........Overall, these problems of preschool kids WOULD OFTEN lead to lives of crime and incarceration. I would like to see a cost-benefit analysis that might PROVE that it is cheaper to raise some taxes and get GOOD teachers and preschool activities and nutrition versus the COST of PRISON incarceration. Plus add in the cost to society of crime and murders. Difficult to put a dollar amount on a human life. There was that volleyball college lady from Tn. that lost BOTH legs AFTER some violent criminal attack. She HAD a lot of future potential and now has a great setback.

None of those European countries you mentioned pay their teachers more than the US...

Teacher Salaries by Country

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In fact, your beloved Sweden pays significantly less... $62.1K vs $47.6K

And Finland is even LOWER @ $44.1K...

Facts Matter...