[janmcn]

Companies that cater to these gay and lesbian weddings will make tons of money, depending where they are located. Companies that don't want the business, for whatever reason, will not make that money. It's the free enterprise system.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by jojoin

Just wondering where in the Bible did you find this to be part of GOD's grand plan?
GOD allows things to happen, but this does not mean it is his will. GOD allows things to happen because he gives mankind free will to do as we please; to make our own choices which includes deciding whether we want to believe in him and his word. But, he also tells us there are consequences to our actions when we turn against his word, and decide to follow our own secular path. I always find it interesting that men/women think they are smarter than GOD.

His word? Which version is his word? Which religion is his religion? Since I truly believe that your sexual orientation is something you are born with I am not sure at which time in your life you would have the ability to change that choice. If you believe that being gay is something you are born with than either god made a mistake or being gay is not a flaw.

[Patty55]

It's hard to believe that in this day and age Gay rights are still being debated and considered seperate from human rights.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I wonder if you are splitting hairs. The baker makes wedding cakes. Lots of people order unique decorations on wedding cakes that are not out there in the display case.

This would be in the same category of the pharmacist who will not fill a day after pill prescription because of his beliefs.

[tucson]

Originally Posted by Monkei

His word? Which version is his word? Which religion is his religion? Since I truly believe that your sexual orientation is something you are born with I am not sure at which time in your life you would have the ability to change that choice. If you believe that being gay is something you are born with than either god made a mistake or being gay is not a flaw.

When, who and where has the belief that people are born homosexual start?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by tucson

When, who and where has the belief that people are born homosexual start?

There seem to be some valid reasons that homosexuality is genetic.



Biology and sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[ilovetv]

I've known some who definitely seemed to be born more effeminate as a male and more male as a female.....and I've known what is probably an equal number who seem to have been conditioned into the homosexual lifestyle by adults who showed them affection they lacked and craved, the homosexual way. For some, inappropriate pedophile and homosexual affection is the only kind of affection they have ever known. (I remember reading olympic diver Greg Louganis' book talking about that.)

Whether or not one believes God's creatorship and authority over us is revealed in the Bible, it is clear the Apostle Paul was speaking here about people choosing, with their free will, to discard their knowledge of God and His commands, for the pursuit of their own passions....at their own risk:

Romans 1

20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done....

Romans 1 NIV - Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called - Bible Gateway

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by tucson

When, who and where has the belief that people are born homosexual start?

Really?? It is not a virus you can catch later in life or change from heterosexual to gay at puberty. It is a fact not a belief. OMG This is just to bizarre for words. Every persons sexual preference has been determined in the months prior to birth and you cannot change a person from what you are born with. Some things are up for debate but not this. If you are gay, you were born that way and to try to change it would be very damaging to your mental health. This quackery clinics that claim they can convert someone from gay to straight is similar to witchcraft.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

I've known some who definitely seemed to be born more effeminate as a male and more male as a female.....and I've known what is probably an equal number who seem to have been conditioned into the homosexual lifestyle by adults who showed them affection they lacked and craved, the homosexual way. For some, inappropriate pedophile and homosexual affection is the only kind of affection they have ever known. (I remember reading olympic diver Greg Louganis' book talking about that.)

Whether or not one believes God's creatorship and authority over us is revealed in the Bible, it is clear the Apostle Paul was speaking here about people choosing, with their free will, to discard their knowledge of God and His commands, for the pursuit of their own passions....at their own risk:

Romans 1

20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done....

Romans 1 NIV - Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called - Bible Gateway

This is man, however, not a god or God speaking through a man. Most religions have a method of manipulating people so that they act to the benefit of the most powerful group in that society pushing that religion. That's a little simplistic on my part as religions play many other functions than just control. My point is that some passages of the Old and New Testament look more like something that would come from Caesar, the Pope, Kings, Emperors, etc. rather than from any kind of spiritual plane.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

This is man, however, not a god or God speaking through a man. Most religions have a method of manipulating people so that they act to the benefit of the most powerful group in that society pushing that religion. That's a little simplistic on my part as religions play many other functions than just control. My point is that this some of the Old and New Testament look more like something that would come from Caesar, the Pope, Kings, Emperors, etc. rather than from any kind of spiritual plane.

And you have the free will to believe that or not.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

This is man, however, not a god or God speaking through a man. Most religions have a method of manipulating people so that they act to the benefit of the most powerful group in that society pushing that religion. That's a little simplistic on my part as religions play many other functions than just control. My point is that this some of the Old and New Testament look more like something that would come from Caesar, the Pope, Kings, Emperors, etc. rather than from any kind of spiritual plane.

It is sad that so many are lead astray because they believe that the bible that most read today like the King James version and many others are the word of GOD. THEY ARE NOT THE WORD OF GOD and all would know that if they would simply research the history from earliest writing up to the rewrites of today. The quoting of scripture is quoting man and not the word of GOD.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

It is sad that so many are lead astray because they believe that the bible that most read today like the King James version and many others are the word of GOD. THEY ARE NOT THE WORD OF GOD and all would know that if they would simply research the history from earliest writing up to the rewrites of today. The quoting of scripture is quoting man and not the word of GOD.

And you have the free will to believe that or not, too.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by tucson

When, who and where has the belief that people are born homosexual start?

Same question back at you with heterosexual in place if homosexual.

[springfield]

I am so happy, that based on these posts, that most people realize that sexual orientation is not a choice. Going back to my original post, no one's marriage has any affect on mine. Hopefully, some day, those that don't get it, will understand even if they don't accept it. Bless all of you that have someone to share your life with.

[tucson]

Originally Posted by Monkei

Same question back at you with heterosexual in place if homosexual.

When-In the beginning, Who- God, created man and woman to be in His (God's) image :-) Where- Garden of Eden