[Portia]

bravo angiefox10 !!!

[ilovetv]

This is factual information about the gay lifestyle and is not intended to judge the persons involved.

I think most will agree it is worth thinking about, and asking oneself why this sad situation is this way:

Centers for Disease Control (CDC)

In the United States, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) are disproportionately affected by HIV.

MSM represent approximately 2% of the US population, but accounted for more than half of all estimated new HIV infections annually from 2008 to 2010.

Among MSM, black/African American MSM—especially young black/African American MSM—are at highest risk of HIV. In 2010, black/African American MSM accounted for almost as many new HIV infections as white MSM, despite their differences in population size.

The Numbers

New HIV Infections
In 2010, there were an estimated 10,600 new HIV infections among black/African American MSM. By comparison, in the same year, there were an estimated 11,200 new HIV infections among white MSM and 6,700 new HIV infections among Hispanic/Latinob MSM.

Young black/African American MSM aged 13 to 24 are especially affected by HIV. In 2010, They accounted for approximately 4,800 new HIV infections—more than any other age group or race of MSM. They accounted for more than half of new infections among MSM aged 13 to 24.......

See full report:

CDC - Facts Sheet - HIV Among Black MSM - HIV Among African Americans - Risk - HIV/AIDS

[angiefox10]

I will see your HIV post and raise you an STD post....

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — Officials say one age group has shown an alarming rise in sexually transmitted diseases.
Not young people. Not college students. It’s senior citizens.
At an age when many people are concerned about retirement, an increasing group of folks are concerned about contracting disease.
CBS2/KCAL9′s Bobby Kaple reported about this alarming new trend.
Study after study is showing seniors are having sex and lots of it.
Orlando Estrada, 78, re-married two years ago. “One lady, her husband passed away, now she has four boyfriends.”
Kaple did not have trouble finding seniors at the St. Barnabas Senior Center unwilling to talk about older people getting increasingly frisky.
One resident recently lost her husband and now she has four boyfriends. Estrada says he was going to ask her out for a date.
“All of a sudden, it comes out — ‘Do you want to be my girlfriend?’ And she laughs, ‘I’ll think about it.’”
Dr. Steven Rabin, a Burbank gynecologist, says “Eighty percent of people 50 years and older are sexually active still.”
And with all that sex, he says seniors are contracting STDs at an alarming rate. “What’s dramatic in that in the age group 50 and above we are seeing a doubling and tripling of STDs such as chlamydia and syphilis and that’s startling.”
So why the outbreak? Doctors say there are several factors.
For one, medical advances have enabled men to have sex at an older age.
Paul Dell’Anno, 90, credits Viagra. “That has helped immensely,” he said
Other factors? People are also living longer, the divorce rate continues to rise and there is more cross-generational dating.
Couple these with the surging popular of active adult communities and the picture becomes even clearer.
Dr. Rabin says, “There’s a famous story about this village in Florida, where all of a sudden they had a big cluster of syphilis and it was found to come from all these frisky seniors.”
Douglas Lewis, 86, is single. “There are always parties and activities and traveling so there is a lot of hooking up going on.”
Dr. Rabin also believes the fact seniors don’t worry about pregnancy, many of them don’t know to use protection.
Amelia Lee, 66, got re-married two years ago. “There is no need for us to talk about protection unless someone has contracted a disease.”
Kaple asks Dell’Anno if he had sex education when he was in high school. And the 90-year-old replies, “Not really that I can remember.”
So what can be done about the growing problem of seniors and STDs.
It might be time to have “The Talk” with your parents, according to Dr. Rabin.
69-year-old widow Grace Morales told Kaple that one day her daughter came home and “she brought me all these Alka Seltzers. And she says, ‘Come on! Those aren’t Alka Seltzers! They’re condoms!””
Dr. Rabin believes it is important for all doctors to not assume their patients are no longer having sex — no matter how old they are.
Dell’Anno says he’s still actively dating at 90. “Sex never dies. And as far as I’m concerned, it could go on until you are 120-130 if you take care of yourself.”



More And More Seniors Are Putting The S In STD « CBS Los Angeles


Oh wait... They are talking about The Villages....

[rubicon]

Let me first disclose that I do not care what people do in their private lives as long as it has no material or financial affect on me or my family. What happens in rubicon's house stays in rubicon's house and so Clinton's original position on DOMA was correct and his original position on Don't Ask, don't Tell was correct. Keep it private

Those poster who reference religion/bible are wasting their time. The proponents for same sex are some/many of the same proponents who have an agenda to diminish and remove the Judeo-Christian principles that help form this democracy. These same folks also have an agenda against white heterosexual males that they blame for every thing they consider to be wrong with our society past, present and future.

We have actually one Justice (Kennedy) who has decided and hence taken away the people's right to decide this issue and collectively if this continue well bye bye democracy.

Same sex marriage is an oxymoron. Homosexuality goes against nature.. People may argue the biblical position on this subject but by customs, customs being useful guides society has allows centered around the benefit of a nuclear family......until....wait for it feminist began there attack on males and in particular white males. Hollywood is the liberal left advertising dept. analyze movies, sitcoms etc today and what you will see are homosexual couples in favorable light and white males who can't even tie their shoes. This movement by homosexuals really began back in 1986

Justice Kennedy's decision lays the ground work for completely removing DOMA.

Posters may rejoice but this decision is going to have a profound affect on this country's moral fiber and also financially. If it is a right for a man-man-woman-woman to marry where does it stop. If one feels a right that man-boy relationships are moral and right well then attorneys are very creative and can make an argument for just about anything even people who sit hot coffee on their laps.

some would say nonsense but look how far we have come with the issue of abortion. Even when the little dickens can live viable out of the womb "snip"
Three perhaps four states have assisted-physician suicide wait for "The Shoot Horse don't they "promotion by attorneys to allow people to exit when they want and for whatever reason they want.

We use to believe in the integrity of life.

Sad Sad Sad
I wish no malice against anyone but the act is unnatural .

[rayschic]

Originally Posted by angiefox10

I for one am excited about all of this. For once gays can have the same "legal" rights as the rest of us! How wonderful... a step forward... still more to go, but a step forward.

Now... I always have to wonder when someone wants to "bible thump" over an issue and I tend to do my own bible thumping in return......

As to living by the bible... do we really want to do that? Have many of us actually READ the bible???

Below are some scriptures we might want to live by....

This is one of the scriptures about rape:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT " If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

Or... maybe just kill both of them:

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB " If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife."

Or.. women taken captive in a war:

Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

What about "false Prophets" Which is subjective at best:

Zechariah 13:3 NAB "If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through."

Or... Kill women who are not virgins on their wedding night?


Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.

Maybe... we can go back to having slaves? I don't know who they would be today but the bible appears to condone it.

Ephesians 6:5 NLT Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

Oh... and here is a nice little story that will warm your heart about a fathers love....

Judges 11:29-40 NLT "So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD gave him victory. He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith – twenty towns – and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites. When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter – his only child – ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. "My daughter!" he cried out. "My heart is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back." And she said, "Father, you have made a promise to the LORD. You must do to me what you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin." "You may go," Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children. When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter."

Or... maybe we can just burn the gays....

Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT "Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."

I'm guessing that if you are still reading this far down... your eyes are rolling back in your head so I will quit. Trust me though... there are a lot more where those came from.

Maybe living by the scripture is not one of our best ideas....

Great post !

[Golfingnut]

You will never convince me that deep committed love between two people of any gender is wrong. Open your mind and heart and rid your mind of silly predudices. I am 100% hetherosexuel, and have seen horrible marriages between a man and a women. It is my choice, but I am aware enough to understand it is not the best way for every man and women. I am happy that if it is right for you, then go with it, but if you have a different desire, then do not listen to some close minded persons view and have a miserable life. Follow your heart and if that means loving and marrying a partner of the same sex, then do that. You have one life, live it your way.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Villageshooter

God said Adam & Eve.. not adam & steve

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I am sorry you find other people's sorrow as funny.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Our children will move this issue into true reality and I am thankful that MY generation will die away along with our unfair/unkind primitive beliefs and our generations prejudices.

Where will all this openmindedness lead us in the future? What if three people love each other and are committed to each other, would you be against the 3 of them getting married to each other? What about a marriage between one man and 15 women?

How about 2 sisters, brothers, sister and brother, father and daughter, mother and son or friends who want to get married so as to save on taxes or get survivors benefits? Anything goes?

[Quixote]

Originally Posted by capecodbob

I've seen this comparison of gays to slavery before and the African community does not take kindly to it, and neither do I. But hey, you're trying to sell something that the majority of the country does not buy. I think most agree with people sharing the things that married couples share (insurance etc.) but hijacking the word "marriage" is the deal breaker. The battle is far from over and the "sleeping majority" might have just been awakened.

Regarding the sentence in bold above (emphasis mine), please read the article at the following link:

Supreme Court’s DOMA ruling comes as majority now supports same-sex marriage | Pew Research Center

[Quixote]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Several posts have referred to hatred and judgement on this thread, but I haven't seen anything like that. This has been an adult give and take except for those saying "mind our own business" and "live and let live". As Gracie said we are all entitled to our own opinions and this has been, for the most part, an intelligent and insightful give and take of ideas.

I similarly do not see "hatred" in this thread, and I agree that it "has been an adult give and take." I too agree with Gracie in that "we are all entitled to our own opinions and this has been, for the most part, an intelligent and insightful give and take of ideas."

However, I respectfully disagree about "judgment"; IMO countless posts on this thread contain incredibly judgmental remarks, which are very different from simply expressing opinions. If we cannot simply agree to disagree, then perhaps we are beating a dead horse....

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Quixote

I similarly do not see "hatred" in this thread, and I agree that it "has been an adult give and take." I too agree with Gracie in that "we are all entitled to our own opinions and this has been, for the most part, an intelligent and insightful give and take of ideas."

However, I respectfully disagree about "judgment"; IMO countless posts on this thread contain incredibly judgmental remarks, which are very different from simply expressing opinions. If we cannot simply agree to disagree, then perhaps we are beating a dead horse....

AH yes the pounding on of the departed equine animal...it is not the first time on this forum...but this thread will continue for page after page after page until we treat each other so horribly that the moderators will close it.

Gay people are born gay and heterosexual people are born heterosexual. That is how it is. Now the law of the land will equally deal with the relationships of all. I hope that everyone will find someone like my dear sweetie. He has been a source of joy and comfort for these 51 years. Not everyone is so fortunate and a good marriage is worth all of the treasures of the earth.

But the above realities should not cause people to look down on others values that are held dear. We won't all ever agree completely on anything. We have all lived long lives and have had varied experiences. We cannot foist our beliefs and values onto others and being sarcastic and full of hate about a persons beliefs is not helpful or kind or will not change anyone's mind.

[Quixote]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

AH yes the pounding on of the departed equine animal...it is not the first time on this forum...but this thread will continue for page after page after page until we treat each other so horribly that the moderators will close it.

Gay people are born gay and heterosexual people are born heterosexual. That is how it is. Now the law of the land will equally deal with the relationships of all. I hope that everyone will find someone like my dear sweetie who has been a source of joy and comfort for these 51 years. Not everyone is so fortunate and a good marriage is worth all of the treasures of the earth.

But the above realities should not cause people to look down on others values that are held dear. We won't all ever agree completely on anything. We have all lived long lives and have had varied experiences. We cannot foist our beliefs and values onto others and being sarcastic and full of hate about a persons beliefs is not helpful or kind or will not change anyone's mind.

Thank you, GracieGirl. Could not have been better said!!!

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Sorry but you continue to disrupt the harmony of this thread to no avail. The majority are ready for love and acceptance and not. Hate + separation

Please...PLEASE refrain from using a interpretation (incorrect by the way) or prejudice to restae my intentions.

Expression of an opinion IS NOT a disruption by the way....maybe there is an unknown to me guideline that states follow the drum beat of the day or.......

Hate and separation I won't dignify the allegation with commentary.

Disagree with me or argue with me but do not try to tell me or others what I did or did not say. Only I can do that with credibility....like it or not!

btk

My interest in this thread is now closed.

[dotti105]

Wow!!! I must say I am a bit surprised at the positive responses concerning gay marriage. I am a bit more liberal than Gary Morse.....and yes, I will admit it....I'm a ....wait for it......DEMOCRAT!! So I truly expected more of a negative response from Villagers overall. Very pleased that those responding have been so progressive and willing to accept the personal choice of others.
My hubby (the republican) and I, always cancel each other out on political issues, but our 45 yrs of marriage prove that opposites attract!!
Nice to know that there are plenty of Villagers with more open minds than I had initially thought. I misjudged!!!