[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Not at all. Duggar had 19 kids. The job of the oldest ones is to take care of the youngest ones, so the mom can get back to being pregnant ASAP. That's how it works in this cult. It is this way by design. Spanking, hitting with switches, punishment, isolation, are all tools used to impose strict obedience in the families - their spirits and wills are intentionally broken during younger childhood so they can be complacent obedient young adults that becomes caretakers for their younger siblings. And so they can be indoctrinated into sincerely believing every bit of insane faux-Christian dogma injected into every thought they have.


And then they go out and run for office in their community - and are elected and popularized. And then they can impose their "tenets" on their constituents in the form of legislation. And then they spread even further to influence others, who enter Congress and Senate, etc. etc. It is incredibly dangerous, and nefarious.

Why is this extreme lifestyle not acceptable but another extreme lifestyle is fine just because you say it is? Maybe we could use more "obedient young adults" and less rabble-rousers.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Not at all. Duggar had 19 kids. The job of the oldest ones is to take care of the youngest ones, so the mom can get back to being pregnant ASAP. That's how it works in this cult. It is this way by design. Spanking, hitting with switches, punishment, isolation, are all tools used to impose strict obedience in the families - their spirits and wills are intentionally broken during younger childhood so they can be complacent obedient young adults that becomes caretakers for their younger siblings. And so they can be indoctrinated into sincerely believing every bit of insane faux-Christian dogma injected into every thought they have.


And then they go out and run for office in their community - and are elected and popularized. And then they can impose their "tenets" on their constituents in the form of legislation. And then they spread even further to influence others, who enter Congress and Senate, etc. etc. It is incredibly dangerous, and nefarious.

Similar to the military. They break you down to rebuild you a specific way.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

That is an ANTI-trans book, not a trans book. And Matt Walsh IS crazy, intolerant, and gets angry and hostile about trans-gender. He is an alt-right extreme homophobe who was kicked off his first few platforms because of it and is now relegated to spouting his nonsense only on other alt-right media.

I never saw Mr. Walsh get angry and yell. Actually all I have seen is the opposite. People screaming at him when he tries to talk with them. Have you watched "What is a Woman". It makes sense and follows logic. As for his book, it does deal with trans issues. He feels children should not have their bodies mutilated when they are far too young to be having such procedures done. When I was a child I thought I was a fire engine. I believe most of the pushback many "progressive" ideals face today is the result of extremes pushing too far. When I practiced (I switched to banking and finance after a few years) we had the DSM2. People who had a type of body dysmorphia were treated as someone having a psychological disorder. Over the years transgender became more common. It was not until it was introduced to children that there was a major pushback. Re Mr. Walsh, his book Johnny The Walrus is written to explain those on the flip side of transgenderism. The side that is against pushing it on children. If you read his book , it does follow a logical train of thought. Speaking as someone who was educated many years ago, I see a similarity between cutting off a 14 year olds breasts and cutting off the arm of someone who would come to me and say they hate their arm. They should not have it. It is not who they are. IMO playing along with someone's psychosis is not helpful to the individual. We are feeding into their delusion. Again, in my view LGBTQIA+ should have stopped at LGB.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

You just described to a T, the guy who shot the black kid last month. Which one, the kid who went to a house and knocked on the door, why was he there? To pick up his little brothers. Only he was one street over, from the correct one.

The shooters grandson said that he and his grandfather used to be close but grew distant in recent years over what he described as his grandfather’s radicalization via conservative media. Ludwig told The Kansas City Star that Lester had “become staunchly right-wing,” going “further down the right-wing rabbit hole as far as doing the election-denying conspiracy stuff and Covid conspiracies and disinformation, fully buying into the Fox News, OAN [One America News Network] kind of line.” Ludwig suggested that the “24-hour news cycle of fear and paranoia” has “radicalized him in a lot of ways.”

FOX News AND OAN!

Everybody take TWO drinks!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Whitley

That is so sad. All of those kids growing up without a Mom.

Michelle Duggar is quite alive...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

That is an ANTI-trans book, not a trans book. And Matt Walsh IS crazy, intolerant, and gets angry and hostile about trans-gender. He is an alt-right extreme homophobe who was kicked off his first few platforms because of it and is now relegated to spouting his nonsense only on other alt-right media.

Who's "crazy, intolerant, and gets angry and hostile"? Pot, meet Kettle...

"He is an alt-right extreme homophobe who was kicked off his first few platforms because of it and is now relegated to spouting his nonsense only on other alt-right media"

Such nuance...

Oh, and his movie is on Twitter and YouTube... You know, those "alt-right media" sites...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Not at all. Duggar had 19 kids. The job of the oldest ones is to take care of the youngest ones, so the mom can get back to being pregnant ASAP. That's how it works in this cult. It is this way by design. Spanking, hitting with switches, punishment, isolation, are all tools used to impose strict obedience in the families - their spirits and wills are intentionally broken during younger childhood so they can be complacent obedient young adults that becomes caretakers for their younger siblings. And so they can be indoctrinated into sincerely believing every bit of insane faux-Christian dogma injected into every thought they have.


And then they go out and run for office in their community - and are elected and popularized. And then they can impose their "tenets" on their constituents in the form of legislation. And then they spread even further to influence others, who enter Congress and Senate, etc. etc. It is incredibly dangerous, and nefarious.

Such hate...

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Such hate...

Earned?

[affald]

Originally Posted by Whitley

I never saw Mr. Walsh get angry and yell. Actually all I have seen is the opposite. People screaming at him when he tries to talk with them. Have you watched "What is a Woman". It makes sense and follows logic. As for his book, it does deal with trans issues. He feels children should not have their bodies mutilated when they are far too young to be having such procedures done. When I was a child I thought I was a fire engine. I believe most of the pushback many "progressive" ideals face today is the result of extremes pushing too far. When I practiced (I switched to banking and finance after a few years) we had the DSM2. People who had a type of body dysmorphia were treated as someone having a psychological disorder. Over the years transgender became more common. It was not until it was introduced to children that there was a major pushback. Re Mr. Walsh, his book Johnny The Walrus is written to explain those on the flip side of transgenderism. The side that is against pushing it on children. If you read his book , it does follow a logical train of thought. Speaking as someone who was educated many years ago, I see a similarity between cutting off a 14 year olds breasts and cutting off the arm of someone who would come to me and say they hate their arm. They should not have it. It is not who they are. IMO playing along with someone's psychosis is not helpful to the individual. We are feeding into their delusion. Again, in my view LGBTQIA+ should have stopped at LGB.

God Bless you for putting the time in to fight what is obviously evil and immoral.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

That's the one, yeah. They're "Quiverfull" cultists. A woman's function is to keep the home and breed - until her body stops allowing her to be pregnant. So basically until having a final kid kills her. Children are the future leaders of the new world order where the entire planet adheres to their doctrine and dogma. They will be the army (they have actual quasi-military training for the boys) that enforces the dominance of blah blah blah blah.

And yes I realize that sounds like a really bad dystopian novel. But it's a real actual thing, and it is the basis of the Duggar Family (19 and Counting, and Josh Duggar who was arrested for sexually abusing at least 5 people - including at least 2 of his own sisters). There are possibly tens of thousands of members of this cult scattered around the country and in several other countries. It was founded in 1961 but it's grown exponentially over the past decade or so.

Ugh. I had no idea. Thanks for the heads up - I'll look for it.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

You just described to a T, the guy who shot the black kid last month. Which one, the kid who went to a house and knocked on the door, why was he there? To pick up his little brothers. Only he was one street over, from the correct one.

The shooters grandson said that he and his grandfather used to be close but grew distant in recent years over what he described as his grandfather’s radicalization via conservative media. Ludwig told The Kansas City Star that Lester had “become staunchly right-wing,” going “further down the right-wing rabbit hole as far as doing the election-denying conspiracy stuff and Covid conspiracies and disinformation, fully buying into the Fox News, OAN [One America News Network] kind of line.” Ludwig suggested that the “24-hour news cycle of fear and paranoia” has “radicalized him in a lot of ways.”

So sad, and there seems to be so much of it going on.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by PugMom

oh God, that's a Limbaugh hit piece, but whatever

Well deserved then. Limbaugh was absolutely horrible.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Michelle Duggar is quite alive...

Sorry, my error. I thought one post said that the wife keeps having babies until birthing one finally kills her.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Ugh. I had no idea. Thanks for the heads up - I'll look for it.

Last night after work I read up on Quiverfull and fail to see where they would be a cult any more than other religious sects such as Hasidic Jewish or the more conservative Muslim schools. I recall one of the eight being against it. Catholics are also against most types of birth control. (If interested in learning details about any of the above it would be best to speak to someone that practices the faith. One comment I found somewhat amusing was one of my Iranian friends (Muslim) explaining that birth control is encouraged in some Muslim schools of thought not so much because it is healthier for the woman, but because it helps the woman keep her appearance which pleases the man (sorry ladies, sometimes you just can not win). Anyway, the purpose of the post, I would caution against using words like cult, facist etc so easily.

[bsloan1960]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Really interesting documentary/interview about the Duggar family and the IBLP (Institute of Basic Life Principals). It's on Amazon Prime, split into four episodes since it's over 2 hours long total.

It really does explain a WHOLE lot about some of the attitudes of intolerance that have gotten worse over the past 15-20 years in this country.

Is that the group of people who got stranded and ate each other?