[8notes]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Or maybe they just don't believe the hype? Or, maybe they just do not agree with some folks that think the mask is the end all.....the answer to survival. Some folks may just be afraid of getting the vaccination. Some folks may think they have an immunity to the virus and do not need it. It's a free country and one should respect the rights of others having an opinion, even if one believes them to be wrong.

As the saying goes, people are entitled to their own opinions, not their own facts. People don't have the "right" do do whatever they want when it comes to public health issues.

[golfing eagles]

From another mask thread, someone posted:

"While I will always agree that unchecked and unlimited government overreach is a threat to our liberty, there is precedent as well as a moral obligation for it to protect its citizenry from present danger. In particular, danger from other, uncaring and self centered citizens common in a free society founded on doing what is best for ourselves as individuals. Car insurance is a good example as are seat belt laws or wearing clothing. It has been argued especially by people who love to argue, that despite the obvious protections these provide , they are government overreach. Like masks, seatbelt safety was argued and often protested and still is to a lesser degree. Confirmation bias can be so stubborn in some people that it takes the experience of being ejected from a vehicle to accept the obvious albeit too late to make use of the wisdom. Refuting the obvious and stubbornness about simply wearing a mask is fun for people who love to argue. When pressed, would they send a loved one (which may only be themselves) into a room with a Covid patient without a mask? I doubt it very much. The truth is that not even stubborn, argumentative guardians of freedom can tell if someone in a restaurant has Covid. No disrespect and in good company, Ben Franklin once argued against vaccines until he lost a son to Small Pox."

Even though I don't necessarily agree with all that he said, it's a pretty good post overall, UNTIL.......the last line. Edward Jenner started his smallpox vaccine trials in 1796, Ben Franklin died in 1790

[8notes]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

From another mask thread, someone posted:

"While I will always agree that unchecked and unlimited government overreach is a threat to our liberty, there is precedent as well as a moral obligation for it to protect its citizenry from present danger. In particular, danger from other, uncaring and self centered citizens common in a free society founded on doing what is best for ourselves as individuals. Car insurance is a good example as are seat belt laws or wearing clothing. It has been argued especially by people who love to argue, that despite the obvious protections these provide , they are government overreach. Like masks, seatbelt safety was argued and often protested and still is to a lesser degree. Confirmation bias can be so stubborn in some people that it takes the experience of being ejected from a vehicle to accept the obvious albeit too late to make use of the wisdom. Refuting the obvious and stubbornness about simply wearing a mask is fun for people who love to argue. When pressed, would they send a loved one (which may only be themselves) into a room with a Covid patient without a mask? I doubt it very much. The truth is that not even stubborn, argumentative guardians of freedom can tell if someone in a restaurant has Covid. No disrespect and in good company, Ben Franklin once argued against vaccines until he lost a son to Small Pox."

Even though I don't necessarily agree with all that he said, it's a pretty good post overall, UNTIL.......the last line. Edward Jenner started his smallpox vaccine trials in 1796, Ben Franklin died in 1790

There was experimental smallpox inoculation the early 1700's and Franklin's son died in 1735. Franklin, in his autobiography, lamented not having his son inoculated.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by 8notes

There was experimental smallpox inoculation the early 1700's and Franklin's son died in 1735. Franklin, in his autobiography, lamented not having his son inoculated.

Didn't know that. But I think we can assume that the early 1700's vaccine wasn't too effective

[graciegirl]

According to this, no one died from Covid yesterday or the day before from Covid-19 in Sumter County. Only COUNTY statistics are available.

coronavirus deaths sumter county florida - Bing

Me and mine will get the vaccine as soon as it is offered. Most of us will. It has nothing to do with political leanings.

[sail33or]

Can't everyone tell by these responses that there will NEVER be agreement on this ever. No about of somebody's facts, propaganda, Agency Directives, Forum Experts, etc.

Some will wear masks until they die, Some will stop at some point and some will NEVER wear masks. Those are the 3 options. Why discuss it further. No one is going to change anyone's mind. Just like most everything in TODAYS World. It is just arguing not debating.

[tcxr750]

Reminds me of the controversy over seat belt wear. When seat belts were installed in passenger cars in the late fifties it was believed better to be thrown out through the windshield in a crash rather than trapped in the burning car. That’s what made seat belt wear mandatory.
Here in the US we’ll probably see people go back to the “no mask” mode after the vaccine has been widely distributed. If you look at historic video of Asian countries most people wear a mask during the Flu season vs none in the US. A cultural thing with the acceptance of death or serious illness for yourself or others as secondary.

[8notes]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Didn't know that. But I think we can assume that the early 1700's vaccine wasn't too effective

From what I read, it wasn't a vaccine, it was an inoculation - scratch the skin surface, and place some actual live smallpox there.

[Velvet]

Yes, they still used the scratch and later scab technique sometime ago in Europe. I still have the upper arm scar to prove it.

[rustyp]

Food for thought - Heard on the evening news tonight:
"At this point it is a sign of disrespect not to wear a mask".

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Pfizer specifically said that they took no (ZERO) money from the US government. It was developed by a small German Company that partnered with Pfizer for some reason(?) maybe money, maybe better distribution. Praise the German scientists if you want to praise something that is correct and not BS propaganda!

The German laboratory was a research establishment and did not have the finance or know how to run the large trials required to prove vaccine worked, or the production line required to meet demand if the trials were successful.
Hence their partneship with Pfizer who had the money and knowhow to take the research forward.
Turkish husband and wife partnership Özlem Türeci and Ugur Sahin and their company BioNTech were the originators of the vaccine.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Food for thought - Heard on the evening news tonight:
"At this point it is a sign of disrespect not to wear a mask".

It has always been a sign of disrespect. Nothing new.

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

According to this, no one died from Covid yesterday or the day before from Covid-19 in Sumter County. Only COUNTY statistics are available.

coronavirus deaths sumter county florida - Bing

Me and mine will get the vaccine as soon as it is offered. Most of us will. It has nothing to do with political leanings.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

According to this, no one died from Covid yesterday or the day before from Covid-19 in Sumter County. Only COUNTY statistics are available.

coronavirus deaths sumter county florida - Bing

Me and mine will get the vaccine as soon as it is offered. Most of us will. It has nothing to do with political leanings.

according to which one of 387,000 Results?

here's one on page 10 of your search results:

Coronavirus in Florida: Over 4,000 cases in state, 56 deaths | WFLA


of course that was from March 28, but hey bing search results for the win, right?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I do not plan to wear a mask once I wait enough time after the the second injection. I would like to see a button people can wear, similar to the "I Voted" stickers that says, "I had the Covid vaccine". I will put that button on my purse and let everyone know I am no threat to them. I'm also hoping there will be some sort of card that can be carried on your person that identifies someone as having been vaccinated for Covid.

Do you have one to show that you have been vaccinated for the measles, mumps, pox, etc?