[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Interesting you can't say "Islamists", but you have no trouble saying "Christians". I think most of the non-muslim mass shooters leaned left.

The idea that recent mass shooters are mostly registered Democrats is a myth | Examiner.com

There seems to be little evidence for political party of mass shooters and most of the time something else is motivating these killers than what party they belong.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by ajbrown

I might be missing what you are saying, so forgive me if I am. These encryption protocols are not owned by a vendor. If i encrypt a message to someone using an decent encryption cipher(and public/private key pair), it 'cannot' be decrypted without you having the private key. (I quote cannot meaning it not practical). This is not a vendor thing at all, you can download any decent encryption software onto any box.

That is it. It is read by the receiver after the receiver unencrypts it, and then is permanently gone, so "chatter" that used to give us warnings of "credible threats" is no longer available to monitor.


I don't worry that a terrorist attack will happen here in The Villages. I don't worry about myself or much about folks who are over fifty. I worry about the hatred directed at people who don't espouse this religion by radical people. Fox news said that 79% of American citizens expected to see a terrorist attack on American soil in the next few months. And CNN said that terrorism is the number one thing on peoples minds, not the economy, not jobs, not police brutality, not guns.


The people who change the subject are behind the times. I don't want people to be afraid and I don't want to be afraid. Being afraid is not a conscious decision, it is an emotion and is not an act of will. It follows absorbing facts and is there as a mechanism to preserve life unless a person is paranoid and/or absorbing untrue facts. Really knowing what is happening is almost addictive and leads to over watching the news, sadly.

What I dislike intensely are the anchors who do not interview, but argue their beliefs, and those who put their spin on reporting. Every single one of them does it. All stations. Real journalism is not used much anymore. The simple reporting of facts that have been validated by a credible (to all) source. One that waits and doesn't jump the gun and facts that do not play on emotions. About the only person I feel confident in at this time is the director of the FBI....and then my mind goes back to J. Edgar Hoover.

[memason]

Seems to me, that if the objective of terrorist's is to disrupt our way of life, they have already succeeded. If we are living in fear of attack or afraid to go out, then they have accomplished their mission.

Terrorist activity is dominating the news cycle, which is what they want. One of our politicians is using that fear to also dominate the news cycle.

I'm sure there are lots of folks that will not agree with me, but I refuse to live my life in fear of some foreign [or domestic] terrorist. That just lets them win!

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by memason

Seems to me, that if the objective of terrorist's is to disrupt our way of life, they have already succeeded. If we are living in fear of attack or afraid to go out, then they have accomplished their mission.

Terrorist activity is dominating the news cycle, which is what they want. One of our politicians is using that fear to also dominate the news cycle.

I'm sure there are lots of folks that will not agree with me, but I refuse to live my life in fear of some foreign [or domestic] terrorist. That just lets them win!

As I said earlier, those we call terrorist probably pride themselves on being the best Muslims, willing to carry out instructions of the Quran to kill anyone who is not a good Muslim. Use of the term terrorist falsely keeps us feeling safer than we are and inhibits appropriate deterrant measures.

If we are only afraid, their objective to destroy has fallen short.

[memason]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

As I said earlier, those we call terrorist probably pride themselves on being the best Muslims, willing to carry out instructions of the Quran to kill anyone who is not a good Muslim. Use of the term terrorist falsely keeps us feeling safer than we are and inhibits appropriate deterrant measures.

If we are only afraid, their objective to destroy has fallen short.

Not every terrorist is Muslim...

Religious extremism is the real culprit; regardless of the religion.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by memason

Seems to me, that if the objective of terrorist's is to disrupt our way of life, they have already succeeded. If we are living in fear of attack or afraid to go out, then they have accomplished their mission.

Terrorist activity is dominating the news cycle, which is what they want. One of our politicians is using that fear to also dominate the news cycle.

I'm sure there are lots of folks that will not agree with me, but I refuse to live my life in fear of some foreign [or domestic] terrorist. That just lets them win!

I think so much of your opinions always, but have to ask; how do you feel when you read about the San Bernardino shootings?


I can say; Self, I am not going to feel fear about this. I will think of my flowers. But my self is not buyin' it.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by memason

Seems to me, that if the objective of terrorist's is to disrupt our way of life, they have already succeeded. If we are living in fear of attack or afraid to go out, then they have accomplished their mission.

Terrorist activity is dominating the news cycle, which is what they want. One of our politicians is using that fear to also dominate the news cycle.

I'm sure there are lots of folks that will not agree with me, but I refuse to live my life in fear of some foreign [or domestic] terrorist. That just lets them win!

My 224 613 Project has been about taking control of your life over fear. It has been trying to get practical information for survivors/victims of crimes into libraries of all kinds or accessible through libraries. I have been near a mud slide in Davis Creek in Washoe Valley during the Memorial Day weekend of 1983; had an uncle who cleaned up after the worst US air line disaster near O'Hare as he was the Itasca Fire Chief American Airlines Flight 191 still haunts - Chicago Tribune ; my BD is the date when my then remedial English teacher's daughter Michelle Mitchell was murdered near Reno, Nevada on 2-24-1976; had a friend Tom Snow from the University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Department who was stabbed about six times in the chest area for trying to pick up a married woman near Mustang Ranch no less; had a stalker Gale P., for almost a whole academic year 1989-1990 while I worked a reference desk at the U of MN Law Library; my father was a catastrophe manager for a major insurance company and handled things like the Harvey's Wagon Wheel bombing, Hurricane Andrew, various CA wild fires and earthquakes; and I could go on like with the friend from the University of Denver Graduate School of Librarianship and Information Management who was/is (?) from the University of Mosul, Iraq; etc.

Anyway with a history like this I should just stay in bed and let the world pass by. I do not as I have been fighting to get practical materials into libraries of all kinds since January 1991 for survivors/victims of crimes. Mainly because I feel that with all these experiences I can walk in their shoes. And it allows me to handle bullies a little better even though once in a while it has been wiser to just leave town because of them and hope that their followers wake up to what they are really like.

I am a little worried about being swallowed by a sinkhole here in Florida as that is something that has not happened yet.

I had a neighbor Ron Bath in Reno, Nevada who probably flew some of the flights that bombed targets in Iraq in 1991. He was lawyer/pilot/law professor and sometime Pentagon Air Force General. I will bet for all his macho swagger he sometimes exhibited he was scared as well.

We should not let fear control us in any way but take control of it. I also have a fear of public speaking but would just make some joke when called on at the U of MN Law School or look otherwise pre-occupied. I was not much of a favorite of the Law Professors at the U of MN Law School as I refused to play the Socratic Method game they played. An "I don't know" also worked a lot but would sure **** off the professors. I was actually introduced as a Professor by the Law School Dean in the Fall of 1989 to the then entering Law School Class of 1992. You should have seen some of the Faculty's faces. Priceless. I was the WESTLAW cataloger so they allowed me to stay on at the University of Minnesota Law Library after I graduated in 1989 from their Law School.

I am still hard at work on the 224 613 Project and its seems to have become really big unless I am not reading the signs correctly.

[memason]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I think so much of your opinions always, but have to ask; how do you feel when you read about the San Bernardino shootings?


I can say; Self, I am not going to feel fear about this. I will think of my flowers. But my self is not buyin' it.

The shootings in San Bernardino were horrific and my heart goes out to those folks. But even so, I refuse to live in fear of that happening to wherever I happen to be. I feel everyone has to stay aware of their surroundings, but that does not equate to fear, to me. Fear leads to bad things happening and causes us to paint with very broad brushes. Fear could also cause us to seek comfort [or security] in the wrong places or with the wrong people. In a country this size and the freedoms we enjoy, we will always have isolated incidents of violence.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by memason

Seems to me, that if the objective of terrorist's is to disrupt our way of life, they have already succeeded. If we are living in fear of attack or afraid to go out, then they have accomplished their mission.

Terrorist activity is dominating the news cycle, which is what they want. One of our politicians is using that fear to also dominate the news cycle.

I'm sure there are lots of folks that will not agree with me, but I refuse to live my life in fear of some foreign [or domestic] terrorist. That just lets them win!

Originally Posted by memason

The shootings in San Bernardino were horrific and my heart goes out to those folks. But even so, I refuse to live in fear of that happening to wherever I happen to be. I feel everyone has to stay aware of their surroundings, but that does not equate to fear, to me. Fear leads to bad things happening and causes us to paint with very broad brushes. Fear could also cause us to seek comfort [or security] in the wrong places or with the wrong people. In a country this size and the freedoms we enjoy, we will always have isolated incidents of violence.

Well said.

[graciegirl]

\ The FBI director is my new hero.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by memason

Not every terrorist is Muslim...

Religious extremism is the real culprit; regardless of the religion.

Not sure we are hearing each other. What other religion besides Islam is engaging in advancing global efforts to kill everyone who does not adhere to the same faith?
I am not using the term terrorist, i.e., to make a few people afraid. I am speaking about killing in an organized effort to eradicate all possible unbelievers.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Not sure we are hearing each other. What other religion besides Islam is engaging in advancing global efforts to kill everyone who does not adhere to the same faith?
I am not using the term terrorist, i.e., to make a few people afraid. I am speaking about killing in an organized effort to eradicate all possible unbelievers.

I agree with you completely. It may be unpopular to speak the truth because some people cannot face the reality that we are targets in a worldwide hate campaign.

BTW, in case no one has noticed, the words "hate crime" haven't once been used to characterize the terrorist act of murdering 14 innocent people simply because they were "infidels". It took forever for authorities to even label it a terrorist act.

Yet the suspect who burned a mosque yesterday is already charged with a "hate crime", according to news reports. So it can only be a "hate crime" if committed against a protected class, of which muslims are the latest poster children. I suppose any other victims are just "collateral damage".

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by Lark7

Extremists come in all colors and religions.

Yep, but not all kill.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Not sure we are hearing each other. What other religion besides Islam is engaging in advancing global efforts to kill everyone who does not adhere to the same faith?
I am not using the term terrorist, i.e., to make a few people afraid. I am speaking about killing in an organized effort to eradicate all possible unbelievers.

This is an extremist group of murderous followers of a certain religion. There have been Christian sects that have done things quite similar. Jim Jones and the People's Temple. The psychological massacre: Jim Jones and Peoples Temple: An Investigation Peoples Temple | religious group | Britannica.com

You could even call ISIS a cult-- ISIS Is a Cult That Uses Terrorism: A Fresh New Strategy | Steven Hassan

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

Yep, but not all kill.

Made my day!