[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Lark7

Extremists come in all colors and religions.

True. But right now, Islam is the religion causing 98% of the terrorism issues.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

I would like to see the data to substantiate the religious preference of inmates.

Religion in Prisons

You may find this of interest, kitty.

Statistics would probably vary a lot by area. I was a Student Director for Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners for the Minnesota Correctional Facility- Stillwater. That's the largest medium security prison in MN. There were not that many Muslims that I remember back in 1987-1989 but there probably are quite a number there now due to the very large influx of immigrants from Central Africa to the Twin Cities. Many of these are from Somalia. ISIS is getting the largest number if US recruits from that community I believe. Fears grow that more MN Somali youth have gone to ISIS | Minnesota Public Radio News

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Religion in Prisons

You may find this of interest, kitty.

Statistics would probably vary a lot by area. I was a Student Director for Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners for the Minnesota Correctional Facility- Stillwater. That's the largest medium security prison in MN. There were not that many Muslims that I remember back in 1987-1989 but there probably are quite a number there now due to the very large influx of immigrants from Central Africa to the Twin Cities. Many of these are from Somalia. ISIS is getting the largest number if US recruits from that community I believe. Fears grow that more MN Somali youth have gone to ISIS | Minnesota Public Radio News

This so delightful, Tal! We were posting about the same site at the same time!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The terrorist watchers are going to have to get more creative and enlist the help of these companies like Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc.

I have heard of a form of communication the messages of which disappear after a minute or so. Great if you are a teen trying to sneak out but very troubling for terrorist monitors.

There is a balance between privacy and safety.

What news network do you watch Tal? I watch all three of the big ones, but switch back and forth about equally between CNN and Fox, probably watching CNN a little more. About how much time do you watch the news on Television? I watch at least an hour a day.


It seems that both the liberal and the conservative leaning news people think that there is a real problem in this country with Extreme Islam.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

What news network do you watch Tal? I watch all three of the big ones, but switch back and forth about equally between CNN and Fox, probably watching CNN a little more.


It seems that both the liberal and the conservative leaning news people think that there is a real problem in this country with Extreme Islam.

Fox is often on in the background in this house. I usually watch CBS Evening News with Scott Pelley but can get a lot of other news sources via Facebook.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

The Director of the FBI told House Armed Services Committee yesterday that with the new communications on the internet they cannot follow "chatter" the way they used to.


Extreme Islamic people can now communicate without any kind of internet supervision.


And so no one can tell anyone if there is a "credible threat" of an Isis, Al Quaeda , Boko Haram or home grown terrorist attack like they could last year. People who may be suspect cannot be monitored any longer except by following them around.

Saw this, as well...isn't that just ducky!

[Taltarzac725]

70,000 Indian Muslim clerics issue fatwa against Isis, the Taliban, al-Qaeda and other terror groups | Asia | News | The Independent

This is promising.

[graciegirl]

Tal. Watch all of the major news channels, alternately for six hours. You will see why there is fear.

[tomwed]

bump

[Cedwards38]

Originally Posted by outlaw

True. But right now, Islam is the religion causing 98% of the terrorism issues.

I'm not sure how to define terrorism issue, but when one looks at the number of deaths due to terrorist shootings in America since 9/11 the numbers are almost equal between people killed by Jihadists and those killed by rightists, including Christians.

Homegrown Extremism: Deadly Attacks Since 9/11 | The International Security Program

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

The Director of the FBI told House Armed Services Committee yesterday that with the new communications on the internet they cannot follow "chatter" the way they used to.


Extreme Islamic people can now communicate without any kind of internet supervision.


And so no one can tell anyone if there is a "credible threat" of an Isis, Al Quaeda , Boko Haram or home grown terrorist attack like they could last year. People who may be suspect cannot be monitored any longer except by following them around.

What is not making enough showing in the news is that the manufacturer of these devices can in fact break the code as long as the devices are of the same make..i.e. Apple to Apple products. The issue that surfaces is the manufacturers hiding behind the all encompassing "invasion of privacy" and the outlook of the government on that subject is apparent in that they will not do anything that might upset somebody.

So what has to happen before we go back to the old days when the priority was protection of country and it's people? At some point there will just have to be a decision made to do what ever it takes to break the code.

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by billethkid

What is not making enough showing in the news is that the manufacturer of these devices can in fact break the code as long as the devices are of the same make..i.e. Apple to Apple products. The issue that surfaces is the manufacturers hiding behind the all encompassing "invasion of privacy" and the outlook of the government on that subject is apparent in that they will not do anything that might upset somebody.

So what has to happen before we go back to the old days when the priority was protection of country and it's people? At some point there will just have to be a decision made to do what ever it takes to break the code.

It's not that easy.
ISIS Has an App. Could They Build Encryption Tools, Too?
by KEITH WAGSTAFF
ISIS Has an App. Could They Build Encryption Tools, Too? - NBC News

We can pass laws in the US but anyone who wants to send secret messages can use software developed outside of the US that cannot be decrypted.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

That's a very good book. I had a friend at the University of Denver Graduate School of Librarianship and Information Management who was getting an advanced degree-- a MA in Librarianship like me. He was from the University of Mosul and had a brother in the Republican Guard or something like that. This was in 1983-1984. After he graduated (?) he went back to Iraq. His letters to me became more and more radicalized so by 1986 we broke any correspondence off. His family relationships especially with the brother in the military made him into a true believer for Saddam Hussein.

ISIS has had control of Mosul for a year or more and they looted that library. ISIS Destroys Iraq's University of Mosul I have no idea what happened to that ex-friend I had. It is not a wise idea to have any contact with people who live in ISIS controlled areas.


My Iraqi ex-friend was very traditional and I was never allowed to be even in the same room as his wife. The other Muslim/Arabs from various different Middle Eastern countries who were studying various subjects at the University of Denver were all quite different from one another.

I did get an introduction to the Muslim religion from this group of Arabs. It is hard to overgeneralize about them though. Their families, ambitions, etc. had a big impact on making them quite different from one another.

The Kurd jokes really bothered me when I was around them.

And my ex-Iraqi friend's dislike of dogs-- which he thought were way too dirty-- also bugged me a great deal.

That's my friend from the University of Denver standing behind me in one of these University of Denver Library student parties. Have no idea if he is even alive somewhere in Iraq now in 2015. I am the guy with the mustache, no beard. This is around 1983-1984 in Denver. One of the pictures is my graduating class of May 1984. I am there with 5 women.

[ajbrown]

Originally Posted by billethkid

What is not making enough showing in the news is that the manufacturer of these devices can in fact break the code as long as the devices are of the same make..i.e. Apple to Apple products. The issue that surfaces is the manufacturers hiding behind the all encompassing "invasion of privacy" and the outlook of the government on that subject is apparent in that they will not do anything that might upset somebody.

So what has to happen before we go back to the old days when the priority was protection of country and it's people? At some point there will just have to be a decision made to do what ever it takes to break the code.

I might be missing what you are saying, so forgive me if I am. These encryption protocols are not owned by a vendor. If i encrypt a message to someone using an decent encryption cipher(and public/private key pair), it 'cannot' be decrypted without you having the private key. (I quote cannot meaning it not practical). This is not a vendor thing at all, you can download any decent encryption software onto any box.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Cedwards38

I'm not sure how to define terrorism issue, but when one looks at the number of deaths due to terrorist shootings in America since 9/11 the numbers are almost equal between people killed by Jihadists and those killed by rightists, including Christians.

Homegrown Extremism: Deadly Attacks Since 9/11 | The International Security Program

Interesting you can't say "Islamists", but you have no trouble saying "Christians". I think most of the non-muslim mass shooters leaned left.