[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Monkei

Wrong.

Timothy McVey was a Christian. There have been TONS of Christians who terrorized and killed fellow American citizens because of their skin color, religion, and sexual persuasion. We formed the country by killing savages because we were spreading the teachings of the good book taking their land along the way. Christian missionaries basically stole all the land from the native Hawaiians.

Please don't tell me that Christians are members of the good religion and Muslims are bad members of theirs.

When you asked me who does things ike that? I think you got your answer. We are no better or worse than they are. The only difference is we carry a big stick and they carry a little one.

Timothy Mcvey and the Movie shooter and the killer of the Connecticut children didn't kill in the name of God.

I am not particularly religious, but I see mostly kindness in our religious communities and gatherings here and in our culture. At least most Christians strive toward the golden rule..

I am allowed to tell you and to think whatever I want, but mostly I have lived long enough to know that extremism even in attitude is NOT good. Proud to be moderate.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by Monkei

Don't you think those people were already praying? Until we figure out that our god is no better or worse than anyone else's we will continue down this path of religious violence.

Which people are you referring to as already praying? and who said anything about anyone's God being better or worse???

I was responding to the OP's question of "what to do about the violence". What are you talking about???

[Madelaine Amee]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

This is a struggle that has been going on for thousands of years. It will continue until one side completely eliminates the other. The Muslims will not be satisfied until 100% of the world adheres to their laws and beliefs. And the Christians and Jews will never allow that to happen until they stop it or die trying. As long as any religion believes they must have everyone believe as they do, it will continue.

And for those of you who want to stick your head in the sand and ignore it, you or your children and definitely your grand children will pay the price for that folly. Everyone says it's just a few extremists who are out killing people, however the real major issues is the rest of the Muslim religion condones it and does nothing to stop it. I know several Muslims and have discussed this issue with them. And while they will say "it's awful or I would never do that" and while they actually prefer to live in peace, they believe those extremists have a right to do what they are doing. They don't encourage it, they don't engage in it, but they don't denounce it either.

A global religious war will eventually destroy our civilization as we know it.

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by Monkei

Wrong.

Timothy McVey was a Christian. There have been TONS of Christians who terrorized and killed fellow American citizens because of their skin color, religion, and sexual persuasion. We formed the country by killing savages because we were spreading the teachings of the good book taking their land along the way. Christian missionaries basically stole all the land from the native Hawaiians.

Please don't tell me that Christians are members of the good religion and Muslims are bad members of theirs.

When you asked me who does things ike that? I think you got your answer. We are no better or worse than they are. The only difference is we carry a big stick and they carry a little one.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

This is a struggle that has been going on for thousands of years. It will continue until one side completely eliminates the other. The Muslims will not be satisfied until 100% of the world adheres to their laws and beliefs. And the Christians and Jews will never allow that to happen until they stop it or die trying. As long as any religion believes they must have everyone believe as they do, it will continue.

And for those of you who want to stick your head in the sand and ignore it, you or your children and definitely your grand children will pay the price for that folly. Everyone says it's just a few extremists who are out killing people, however the real major issues is the rest of the Muslim religion condones it and does nothing to stop it. I know several Muslims and have discussed this issue with them. And while they will say "it's awful or I would never do that" and while they actually prefer to live in peace, they believe those extremists have a right to do what they are doing. They don't encourage it, they don't engage in it, but they don't denounce it either.

A global religious war will eventually destroy our civilization as we know it.

While I was blathering, you were using words to say it clearly.

[nitehawk]

TBIJ reports that from June 2004 through mid-September 2012, available data indicate that drone strikes killed 2,562 - 3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474 - 881 were civilians, including 176 children. TBIJ reports that these strikes also injured an additional 1,228 - 1,362 individuals," according to the Stanford/NYU study.
Put the shoe on the other foot and see how we would feel !!!! Enough to maybe start a terrorist program against the country who was using the drones---- please dont tell me who is right --- nobody is "Right" Everyone is to blame

[angiefox10]

"Now having read some of the posts on this site, i feel that i have to inform the crusaders that, historically and to this day the crimes commited in the name of christianity and more recently democracy have killed more innocent civilians than any unguided terrorist or legitimate muslim army. the 1st crusade = christian army killed all civilians in jerussalem, saladin took it back later without harming civilians. Spain you mention, when spain was under islamic control all 3 of the main religions lived peacefully and spain was at its most advanced in all fields, it was the envy of europe. when the christians took it back they massacred many, look at the country its main beauty is its history.

and many of todays technological advances have evolved from the findings of muslims centuries ago, the koran didnt say the world had for corners, unlike a certain book, which is supposed to be the word of god but has 15 or so versions. the massacre of bosinians was commited by a christian army= 8000 killed many more raped in 1995 america since the end of world war have invaded more nations and killed more civilians than any muslim, 2 million in the vietnam war says a lot, 50000 in iraq. 1ST came the opression of pallestine then came the suicide bombers, 1st came the 1st gulf war and support of israel then cam 9/11, 1st came the invasion of chechniya then came the school massacre. first came the invasion of iraq then came 7/7
AND MY POINT IS THIS IF MUSLIMS HAD DONE TO THE WEST, WHAT THE WEST HAS DONE TO MUSLIMS, HOW WOULD U FEEL. CONSIDERING HOW U FEEL NOW DUE THE ACTS OF A FEW DRIVEN CRAZY BY OPPRESSION AND SEEING THIER POEPLE KILLED, ROBED AND RAPED"

crimes commited in the name of christianity and democracy :: Reader comments at Daniel Pipes


We are not so nice as we would like to believe we are... Not to mention Hitler was a Christian and had the Catholic church behind him.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Timothy Mcvey and the Movie shooter and the killer of the Connecticut children didn't kill in the name of God.

I am not particularly religious, but I see mostly kindness in our religious communities and gatherings here and in our culture. At least most Christians strive toward the golden rule..

I am allowed to tell you and to think whatever I want, but mostly I have lived long enough to know that extremism even in attitude is NOT good. Proud to be moderate.

Well how about ths, you don't look your age!

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Which people are you referring to as already praying? and who said anything about anyone's God being better or worse???

I was responding to the OP's question of "what to do about the violence". What are you talking about???

I was posting about the simple response of just pray as if our prayers to our Christian god has any,ore meaning than a young pakastanian father praying to his god to stop the drones from killing innocents in his country. I frankly don't see a difference. We justify our praying to stop Islamic terrorism while we continue ours.

[LI SNOWBIRD]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

nothing. I have smaller fish to fry.

You said it kiddo

[blueash]

"If America is to be put in its place – put right – (Muslims) must risk martyrdom and force (America) to the crux where it has to decide either to acknowledge (Mohammad) as (commander) or to begin drinking holy blood"

Scary stuff. Calling for martyrdom against American infidels who don't share the speaker's religious extremism.


Edit: Perhaps I should indicate that where I have utilized parentheses I have not directly quoted the original author. Further clarification to follow

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by blueash

"If America is to be put in its place – put right – (Muslims) must risk martyrdom and force (America) to the crux where it has to decide either to acknowledge (Mohammad) as (commander) or to begin drinking holy blood"

Scary stuff. Calling for martyrdom against American infidels who don't share the speaker's religious extremism.

Blueash. I agree. It is scary stuff. No one wants to think along those lines. People don't want to fear anyone based on religion, it just seems to be happening.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by angiefox10

"Now having read some of the posts on this site, i feel that i have to inform the crusaders that, historically and to this day the crimes commited in the name of christianity and more recently democracy have killed more innocent civilians than any unguided terrorist or legitimate muslim army. the 1st crusade = christian army killed all civilians in jerussalem, saladin took it back later without harming civilians. Spain you mention, when spain was under islamic control all 3 of the main religions lived peacefully and spain was at its most advanced in all fields, it was the envy of europe. when the christians took it back they massacred many, look at the country its main beauty is its history.

and many of todays technological advances have evolved from the findings of muslims centuries ago, the koran didnt say the world had for corners, unlike a certain book, which is supposed to be the word of god but has 15 or so versions. the massacre of bosinians was commited by a christian army= 8000 killed many more raped in 1995 america since the end of world war have invaded more nations and killed more civilians than any muslim, 2 million in the vietnam war says a lot, 50000 in iraq. 1ST came the opression of pallestine then came the suicide bombers, 1st came the 1st gulf war and support of israel then cam 9/11, 1st came the invasion of chechniya then came the school massacre. first came the invasion of iraq then came 7/7
AND MY POINT IS THIS IF MUSLIMS HAD DONE TO THE WEST, WHAT THE WEST HAS DONE TO MUSLIMS, HOW WOULD U FEEL. CONSIDERING HOW U FEEL NOW DUE THE ACTS OF A FEW DRIVEN CRAZY BY OPPRESSION AND SEEING THIER POEPLE KILLED, ROBED AND RAPED"

crimes commited in the name of christianity and democracy :: Reader comments at Daniel Pipes


We are not so nice as we would like to believe we are... Not to mention Hitler was a Christian and had the Catholic church behind him.

And I hope that your point is not that the JudoChristian Community here are all bad folks. It kinda feels a little like being attacked.

[Gulfhills]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

How can you say that? I am 73 years old and never met anyone from the American Christian or Jewish communities who were taught to harm us.

Have we forgotten nine eleven and Boston so recently? I know that not all Muslims are extremists but still. Who does things like that if they have a heart and a conscience, kill innocent people in the name of God? Not any religion that I know of personally.

You took the words out of my mouth!!

[quirky3]

Originally Posted by angiefox10

"Now having read some of the posts on this site, i feel that i have to inform the crusaders that, historically and to this day the crimes commited in the name of christianity and more recently democracy have killed more innocent civilians than any unguided terrorist or legitimate muslim army. the 1st crusade = christian army killed all civilians in jerussalem, saladin took it back later without harming civilians. Spain you mention, when spain was under islamic control all 3 of the main religions lived peacefully and spain was at its most advanced in all fields, it was the envy of europe. when the christians took it back they massacred many, look at the country its main beauty is its history.

and many of todays technological advances have evolved from the findings of muslims centuries ago, the koran didnt say the world had for corners, unlike a certain book, which is supposed to be the word of god but has 15 or so versions. the massacre of bosinians was commited by a christian army= 8000 killed many more raped in 1995 america since the end of world war have invaded more nations and killed more civilians than any muslim, 2 million in the vietnam war says a lot, 50000 in iraq. 1ST came the opression of pallestine then came the suicide bombers, 1st came the 1st gulf war and support of israel then cam 9/11, 1st came the invasion of chechniya then came the school massacre. first came the invasion of iraq then came 7/7
AND MY POINT IS THIS IF MUSLIMS HAD DONE TO THE WEST, WHAT THE WEST HAS DONE TO MUSLIMS, HOW WOULD U FEEL. CONSIDERING HOW U FEEL NOW DUE THE ACTS OF A FEW DRIVEN CRAZY BY OPPRESSION AND SEEING THIER POEPLE KILLED, ROBED AND RAPED"

crimes commited in the name of christianity and democracy :: Reader comments at Daniel Pipes


We are not so nice as we would like to believe we are... Not to mention Hitler was a Christian and had the Catholic church behind him.

Good information - I think it is important to keep a perspective, and put ourselves in the shoes of others too.