[angiefox10]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

And I hope that your point is not that the JudoChristian Community here are not all bad folks. It kinda feels a little like being attacked.

I am not making a point... I google.. (these were just two quick googles) you come to conclusions... Interesting conclusion....

[chachacha]

when people harken back to the crusades, it does nothing to solve the problems we have today....the crusades were fought to take back territories that were overrun by muslims to begin with...it solves nothing to bring up old hatreds....the most sensible post on here was the poster who advised us to prevent closed muslim communities on our own land where Sharia law trumps the laws of our constitution. the new immigration law allows for much broader immigration from the mideast....this is not a good idea, although i personally know a wonderful young muslim man from jordan who would love to move here for the safety of his family...each person's history must be vetted and at present we don't seem to have the system in place to do that....we have the right to maintain the western civilization of our culture in America.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by waynet

I think Religions are basically violent organizations Islam or Christian or Jewish,does not matter.

talk about applying an isolated event to tar a general population......all are entitled to an opinion or "think".....and how many violent christian organizations do you really know of here in the USA??

I always enjoy when the subject of Islamic violence is raised, someone always feels obligated to present Islam is no different than the rest of religions........to me tha is nothing more than BS and pot stirring/baiting.

btk

[angiefox10]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA

[blueash]

Originally Posted by blueash

"If America is to be put in its place – put right – (Muslims) must risk martyrdom and force (America) to the crux where it has to decide either to acknowledge (Mohammad) as (commander) or to begin drinking holy blood"

Scary stuff. Calling for martyrdom against American infidels who don't share the speaker's religious extremism.


Edit: Perhaps I should indicate that where I have utilized parentheses I have not directly quoted the original author. Further clarification to follow

Additional information:

Here is the full and unaltered quote, written by Peter Leithart and cited by David Lane in his article "Wage War to Restore a Christian America". Mr Lane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lane_(activist) is an activist and organizer for various "Christian" groups and their political allies.

"If America is to be put in its place – put right – Christians must risk martyrdom and force Babel to the crux where it has to decide either to acknowledge Jesus an imperator and the church as God’s imperium or to begin drinking holy blood"

Like I wrote, scary stuff, but coming from the American Taliban

[Suzi]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

This is a struggle that has been going on for thousands of years. It will continue until one side completely eliminates the other. The Muslims will not be satisfied until 100% of the world adheres to their laws and beliefs. And the Christians and Jews will never allow that to happen until they stop it or die trying. As long as any religion believes they must have everyone believe as they do, it will continue.

And for those of you who want to stick your head in the sand and ignore it, you or your children and definitely your grand children will pay the price for that folly. Everyone says it's just a few extremists who are out killing people, however the real major issues is the rest of the Muslim religion condones it and does nothing to stop it. I know several Muslims and have discussed this issue with them. And while they will say "it's awful or I would never do that" and while they actually prefer to live in peace, they believe those extremists have a right to do what they are doing. They don't encourage it, they don't engage in it, but they don't denounce it either.

A global religious war will eventually destroy our civilization as we know it.

Originally Posted by chachacha

when people harken back to the crusades, it does nothing to solve the problems we have today....the crusades were fought to take back territories that were overrun by muslims to begin with...it solves nothing to bring up old hatreds....the most sensible post on here was the poster who advised us to prevent closed muslim communities on our own land where Sharia law trumps the laws of our constitution. the new immigration law allows for much broader immigration from the mideast....this is not a good idea, although i personally know a wonderful young muslim man from jordan who would love to move here for the safety of his family...each person's history must be vetted and at present we don't seem to have the system in place to do that....we have the right to maintain the western civilization of our culture in America.

Agree. An earlier poster noted we have a bigger stick, so lets use it....stop the PC discussions and do the work that needs to be done. If we don't have the collective stomach to profile, refuse immigration, deport, retaliate, deny aid, allow them to kill and bomb each other without our intervention, we will eventually end up like many European countries who face dire circumstances very soon.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by waynet

I think Religions are basically violent organizations Islam or Christian or Jewish,does not matter.

You are correct. The more fanatical people are made to become in there religious beliefs the more violent they are. Even in Christianity, when they believe too deeply in Christianity they misinterprit the word and become violent as evidenced by the nuts that kill abortion doctors. Religion taken too literally has driven many otherwise normal folks to insanity and terribly violent acts thruout history.

[senior citizen]

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[Happydaz]

Reading many of these posts is a little scary. I am grateful that our leaders and politicians in the world try to solve things with diplomacy before resorting to war and violence. I think the tone of these postings shows the intransigence and closed mind thinking that many people give in to as they age. Thank goodness for young people, they are often more loving and more forgiving than us older folks. Our leaders need to tread carefully in these minefields of international relations. Still, I cannot forgive the many acts of terrorism that have been done by extreme Islamists. That kind of indiscriminate killing is what is so evil. Their goal is to hurt people, not to really accomplish anything. It is the cowards way to do things behind people's backs. You would think they would spend their money and energies improving their people's lives. There is so much more that could be accomplished there. Maybe leaders can arise that will see the error of these methods and begin to rebuild their countries. It happened in Northern Ireland. Who knows, maybe it can happen some day in these war wracked areas. There can always be hope that change can happen.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by blueash

Additional information:

Here is the full and unaltered quote, written by Peter Leithart and cited by David Lane in his article "Wage War to Restore a Christian America". Mr Lane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lane_(activist) is an activist and organizer for various "Christian" groups and their political allies.

"If America is to be put in its place – put right – Christians must risk martyrdom and force Babel to the crux where it has to decide either to acknowledge Jesus an imperator and the church as God’s imperium or to begin drinking holy blood"

Like I wrote, scary stuff, but coming from the American Taliban

I have been an American Christian all of my life and have NEVER heard anything like that from any Christian I know or have read. Assuredly not always a wonderful example of my faith, but none the less a Christian.

I wish that the American people were hearing more denouncing and more disgust and more compassion from the Muslim community over the bombing in Boston.

It is frightening to me that as you become more devout and more involved you become more dangerous. A devout Muslim and a devout Christian or a devout Jew are widely separated in their beliefs in my opinion.

[senior citizen]

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[rubicon]

Well it took us and the rest of the Western Hemisphere quite a bit of time and a hard road but through Judeo-Christian teachings, and a respect for the rule a law our democracy has finally reached a maturity and understanding of individual rights, etc. I do agree with those posters who remind us that it is a waste of time going back in history to address the OP's fundamental question. The question is relevant for only today.

The problem with the Arab world is that their still tribal and such will never be united. Compare this to the United States wherein despite racial/ethnic divides citizens unite for the common good. This is the essential issue with immigration wherein assimilation to the American experience and thinking is necessary to protect the common good. This is why it is tragic that some ethic-American are radicalized to go against their country (American terrorist)

I do not deal in absolutes. so while some members of the Islamic faith declare jihad not all do. and this will continue because of the tribal nature of these countries. Tribes cannot be governed their personal perspective as to their religion and the nature their tribal customs will continue to dictate their course of events.

So I believe the only effective way of dealing with Islam violence is to find ways to united these societies in democratic practice. Until then keep your weapons loaded.

Sharia Law can gain power here in America. all one has to do is look at the fact that Wiccan church is the 7th largest in the world.

[senior citizen]

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[wendyquat]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

This is a struggle that has been going on for thousands of years. It will continue until one side completely eliminates the other. The Muslims will not be satisfied until 100% of the world adheres to their laws and beliefs. And the Christians and Jews will never allow that to happen until they stop it or die trying. As long as any religion believes they must have everyone believe as they do, it will continue.

And for those of you who want to stick your head in the sand and ignore it, you or your children and definitely your grand children will pay the price for that folly. Everyone says it's just a few extremists who are out killing people, however the real major issues is the rest of the Muslim religion condones it and does nothing to stop it. I know several Muslims and have discussed this issue with them. And while they will say "it's awful or I would never do that" and while they actually prefer to live in peace, they believe those extremists have a right to do what they are doing. They don't encourage it, they don't engage in it, but they don't denounce it either.

A global religious war will eventually destroy our civilization as we know it.

Sadly!

[BarryRX]

I knew when I read the title of this post that it was a loaded question that would get some very strong responses. It didn't ask "what can we do about Islamic extremist violence"', just "what can we do about Islamic violence?". To say that Jewish and Christian religions are nonviolent is to forget history. Christian history includes the inquisition, the burning of witches in Salem, and anti-semetic pogroms throughout Russia and Eastern Europe for centuries, eventually resulting in the holocaust. As a Jew, I have always questioned the violence in the Old Testament, where a supreme being floods the world and kills almost every living soul. We celebrated Passover in April, in which G-d frees the Jews from Egyptian slavery by sending plagues that culminate in the killing of every Egyptian first born child....innocent children all! One of the ways we built our great country was by the wholesale slaughter of the heathen Indians. So, I think we are in a very fluid time where we are in the process of learning how to balance our constitutional freedoms against our need from safety from terrorists, both of the Muslim extremist variety and the home grown Timothy McVeighs as well as the school and mall mass murderers. They are all terrorists to me, because if something were to happen to one of my grandchildren whether it be a Muslim extremist, a Westboro Baptist church bible thumping nut job, an antigovernment militant, or a mentally deranged teenager with a weapon, my heartache would be the same. Except for a very, very few incidents of antisemitism in my life, I have experienced nothing but love and respect from Christians and Muslims I have known. But, we cannot ignore our histories or we will be in danger of repeating our mistakes.