[spk7951]

I do also believe that a general lowering of moral values, in this country, seems to be part of the problems of our culture. And yes I do believe it is getting worse through each generation, which just might be the new norm. But I tend to believe it all starts with the family and the upbringing.

[rubicon]

Upon reading the previous 16 posts it appears that you have all answered the OP's question. IMHO we have drifted away from the norm and it has caused great harm to our children whom ought to be treated as if they are a protected species...because in fact they are.

This transformation process began in the the late 1950's carried over to 1960-70-80 and onto todays with each successive generation trying to top the previous in demonstrating their lack of restraint and discpline. It is one reason why we have a huge drug problem , a lousy eductional system, increase in unwanted pregnancies. The lack of parental supervision is quite evident and in a small way explains why a Simon Cowell received so much attention because he was straight up and realisitc and honest in his approach of analyzing a person's performance (my reference here is to the trophy generation). Notice i didn't say he was always right.

When you contrast that a big faux pas for us when we were kids was to get caught chewing gum in school as opposed to what is going now you get a good idea of the steep decline in behavior .

As long as we keep promoting the likes of the Kim Kardashians as role models our situation will only worsen as opposed to true achievers

It is statistical proven that as a group people with mental health issues have a lower percentage of those who would do harm to others. Unfortunately the news media will always take license to up the sensationalism for the sake of increase circulation. Two different stories of mothers who exited their cars and let them continue into waters drowning their children. One of the mothers was found to have a mental illness. However the other mother had a boy friend who wasn't crazy about the thought of raising someone else kids. Same act different reasoning. and yes I agree that we need to deal more effectively with helping people with neuro-brain disorders

Our society is need of a leader(s) who inspire lead by example and reflect why the virtues of morality ethics, industry, honesty and transparcency are essential for us to return to our rightful place as the superpower that other nations want to emulate. Unfortunately there appear to be none on the horizon . If we do not find such leaders we will go the way of those other societies described in some of the previous posts.

[gustavo]

Read some history, this is the norm for the human race. Get used to it.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by gustavo

Read some history, this is the norm for the human race. Get used to it.

gustavo: Your reference of course is to the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, et al......

It certainly does look as if we are trending toward such a devasting and irretrievable decline. But I would not bet against America or Americans. Like my hero Popeye Americans are going to reach a point and rise up and say Ï can't stands no more.

[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

I think the behavior listed in the o.p. is fed by a lot of really poor upbringing and lack of moral training and character-building. What we've seen a lot in "upscale" neighborhoods as our kids were growing up was total lack of supervision of the kids--they were left alone at an early age and were left to their own devices. They roamed the streets like dogs and the parents would act like somehow, the kids would one day just magically turn into honorable citizens. These were wealthy families, not poor ones. Negligent or no parenting is a trend in all socio-economic levels.

And from what I see, there are fewer parents making sure their kids get a religious education that is relevant and engaging and useful in everyday life. Formation of a person's conscience is aided by being immersed in moral role modeling and with disciplined practice.

Nobody has the answers to all this....this is what I've seen and believe has contributed to a lot of twisted and amoral behavior.

I agree to a point, but I would also like to submit that perhaps some of the core reasons are that people are no longer held accountable for their decisions, nor are children allowed to "fail" as it might hurt their self esteem.

If someone makes a mistake, we fall all over ourselves with reasons that the person made an error instead of holding the person accountable. How many frivilous lawsuits are out there blaming someone else for a person's own stupidity? We also seem to have more people on various drugs (how many people know someone on Ritalin for example) to just get through the day. Why is that?

As to the kids, if they aren't allowed to fail, what happens when they have to finally face reality that not everyone gets a trophy and that the English language includes the word "no"? Instead of sheltering kids so that "their self esteem won't be permanantely damaged", why aren't we letting them fail and if they do, learn from the mistake and support them through that process?

We also have developed a culture of "I want it now"-patience is no longer a virtue.

I can go on, and I apologize for my diatribe, this is definitely one of my "hot buttons".

I know, perhaps I should just "chill out"

[Polar Bear]

The acts cited by the OP are acts of individuals. There have always been and will always be bad individuals in society. Of course our society has serious issues. But you shouldn't be too quick to give up on all of society based on any few individuals and their actions.

I personally believe the good in our society far outweighs the bad. It just doesn't get as many headlines.

[Jim&Fran]

Originally Posted by spk7951

In the aftermath of the Newton tragedy there have been some outlandish activities by people as it related to that tragedy:


1. An administrative employee of the CT state coroners office allowed her husband access to the morgue to view the body of the killer before his autopsy. Strictly against policy and this person is suspended pending investigation that could lead to termination.

2. A lawyer tried to file a $100M lawsuit against the state on behalf of a survivor of the massacre. Supposedly the lawyer was soliciting the survivor families to see if anyone would hire him.

3. A Bronx woman posted on Facebook that she was related to a victim and received thousands of dollars in donations before being arrested.


I am baffled and outraged that people would do things like this especially after this kind of tragedy. Just what is going on with our society today???

Seems like the system is working fine in at least two of those incidents. When people go wrong we must find them and stop them, I can't agree more and the punishment should be appropriate. However let's not keep innocent, honest people from running with scissors as long as they possess the scissors legally and know how to safely run with them.
I have more than one pair of scissors in my home, if I find you in my home at night "they" will find you there in the morning.
If you don't want scissors in your home you can pick up your phone and call the police for help, they will come to your home..... In time to take pictures of your body.......
Be safe, lock your doors and keep a nice pair of scissors ready at all times.
"snip, snip, snip, snip"

[ugotme]

Originally Posted by Trayderjoe

I agree to a point, but I would also like to submit that perhaps some of the core reasons are that people are no longer held accountable for their decisions, nor are children allowed to "fail" as it might hurt their self esteem.

If someone makes a mistake, we fall all over ourselves with reasons that the person made an error instead of holding the person accountable. How many frivilous lawsuits are out there blaming someone else for a person's own stupidity? We also seem to have more people on various drugs (how many people know someone on Ritalin for example) to just get through the day. Why is that?

As to the kids, if they aren't allowed to fail, what happens when they have to finally face reality that not everyone gets a trophy and that the English language includes the word "no"? Instead of sheltering kids so that "their self esteem won't be permanantely damaged", why aren't we letting them fail and if they do, learn from the mistake and support them through that process?

We also have developed a culture of "I want it now"-patience is no longer a virtue.

I can go on, and I apologize for my diatribe, this is definitely one of my "hot buttons".

I know, perhaps I should just "chill out"

NO, don't chill out - you just saved me from typing basically the same thing.

[redwitch]

"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers."

This was written by Socrates. Seems like the same complaints we have today about kids. We're always going to rail against the younger generation (except, of course, our perfect children and grandchildren).

Like all societies, we have good and bad elements. If you have doubts, look at how many around the world have come to the aid of Hurricane Sandy victims. You may not read about how someone helped a stranger, but I'm sure you've heard about it and not just here in TV. And, of course, there is the bad -- that we hear about on a daily basis on TV, on the internet, from neighbors, here.

There have always been people willing to take advantage of others. There always will be. There will always be flaws in any form of government. Let's face it, anything run by groups rather than ethical individuals is going to have problems -- at best, mediocrity will be the norm. We've abdicated our rights for comfort and security.

Personally, I'm getting tired of being policed for my own good. A friend just told me that when she flew up north all women's handbags had to be given to the flight attendant before the plane could take off. Excuse me???? I'm supposed to be searched, x-rayed, have personal items go through machines and now give up my purse and property to a stranger. To me, the biggest problem with this society is the willingness to give up personal freedoms for "security". I flinched when Homeland Security laws were announced and cried when they came into effect. America was based on the right to be free; the right to make personal choices. Those rights are being taken away on a daily basis and that truly scares me a lot more than the bad behavior of some or the risk of a mass murderer.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by redwitch

"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers."

This was written by Socrates. Seems like the same complaints we have today about kids. We're always going to rail against the younger generation (except, of course, our perfect children and grandchildren).

Like all societies, we have good and bad elements. If you have doubts, look at how many around the world have come to the aid of Hurricane Sandy victims. You may not read about how someone helped a stranger, but I'm sure you've heard about it and not just here in TV. And, of course, there is the bad -- that we hear about on a daily basis on TV, on the internet, from neighbors, here.

There have always been people willing to take advantage of others. There always will be. There will always be flaws in any form of government. Let's face it, anything run by groups rather than ethical individuals is going to have problems -- at best, mediocrity will be the norm. We've abdicated our rights for comfort and security.

Personally, I'm getting tired of being policed for my own good. A friend just told me that when she flew up north all women's handbags had to be given to the flight attendant before the plane could take off. Excuse me???? I'm supposed to be searched, x-rayed, have personal items go through machines and now give up my purse and property to a stranger. To me, the biggest problem with this society is the willingness to give up personal freedoms for "security". I flinched when Homeland Security laws were announced and cried when they came into effect. America was based on the right to be free; the right to make personal choices. Those rights are being taken away on a daily basis and that truly scares me a lot more than the bad behavior of some or the risk of a mass murderer.

I don't have any fear of anyone watching me.

I would willingly get into a suit that the airlines would give me and surrender my clothes so that I know that everyone was flying without concealed something.

I think that because there are now so many who have no concience we have to do extreme things.

If and when I feel the need I will get some scissors and learn how to use them.

I worry that a lot of people with scissors don't have a good moral compass or drink a lot or have unreasonable rages or are swallowing whole someone elses ideas.

Think for yourself is my motto.

[JoeC1947]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't have any fear of anyone watching me.

I would willingly get into a suit that the airlines would give me and surrender my clothes so that I know that everyone was flying without concealed something.

I think that because there are now so many who have no concience we have to do extreme things.

If and when I feel the need I will get some scissors and learn how to use them.

I worry that a lot of people with scissors don't have a good moral compass or drink a lot or have unreasonable rages or are swallowing whole someone elses ideas.

Think for yourself is my motto.

Gracie,

Would you really give up your clothing or are you trying to make a point? Might as well get on the plane naked, that way we can really be sure that it is completely safe (not). Homeland security is a joke.

[Jim&Fran]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't have any fear of anyone watching me.

I would willingly get into a suit that the airlines would give me and surrender my clothes so that I know that everyone was flying without concealed something.

I think that because there are now so many who have no concience we have to do extreme things.

If and when I feel the need I will get some scissors and learn how to use them.

I worry that a lot of people with scissors don't have a good moral compass or drink a lot or have unreasonable rages or are swallowing whole someone elses ideas.

Think for yourself is my motto.

My respect for you is beyond reproach.
I do prefer to accept everyone as a "no threat" that is until you prove to me that you are (a threat) . Is that what your suggesting when you said "think for yourself is my motto".
The need to protect yourself is not a luxury but maybe it is.
You have fire insurance on your home, why? Are you planning a fire?
You have theft insurance on your car, why?
Sounds silly but you do take precautions for both. We all have or should have fire alarms in our home to insure our safety.
All of the above insures that your property is safe and will be replaced. What insurance do you have that will replace you?
Wait, there's life insurance but it's not really LIFE insurance but rather death insurance. We all are going to go sooner or later but that insurance is not for us, it's for our family.
I'll never swallow anyone else's ideas, I prefer to do what I have to to protect my family, myself and anyone else who needs help. If using large, sharp scissors does the job then so be it. Like I said you can dial 911 and wait or.........
Snip, snip, snip....... Then 911
The need to do something shouldn't be apparent after the fact.
There will always be someone to help you Graciegirl your not alone.

[Parker]

A democratic society can only succeed if the population lives with a higher ideal than their own self worth. Our society now believes in Me-First at any cost to others. Our youth do not believe in "for the good of society". Probably to late to turn it around now.

[billethkid]

remember we are talking about the one percent of the population (or less) that does all the stupid or out of sorts kind of things.

Also remember the media is there immediately to be sure we all are aware of the sensationalism of that one percent. So we hear more than we used to.

Also the philosophy of the media....if it bleeds it leads....sets the priority to promote the one percent.

And there is no doubt about the moral decay, the loss of core values and more importantly how permissive our society has become.

Politicians as well as the average citizen will always take the safe approach and not pusue any issues or actions that may be controversial....real or percieved.

The other 99% of us just get dragged along by the special interest organizations tha speak the loudest......because we allow it.

My favorite saying each day when I hear the news is....the majority loses another one!!!!!!!!

btk

[2BNTV]

It's unfortunate that bad news sells so the media reports a lot of bad stuff. Ted Turner developed a news program that only reported good news and he pulled it after two weeks. Bad news sells.

Although I am careful than most in what I do, I am not unaware that bad things will happen but I would like to think this is overshadowed by the good of the the majority. We don't hear of the things like my best friends son donating his time to the cleanup from Sandy's aftermath even though he was unaffected.

I think there is a general lack of respect and instant gratification more so in the younger generation but I prefer the rest my opinion on an individual basis. I'm sure my fathers generation felt the same way.