[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

I think no matter how many laws you have in place, people that want to kill will find a way to kill..

I just think we need to be careful who enters our country. Canada has the same issue, and so has U.K. with the same problems.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I just think we need to be careful who enters our country.

You do realize that this happened in Canada...right?


Now the Waffle House killer on the other hand....

[ColdNoMore]

Something else for folks to digest.


White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners - Vox


Facts matter.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Something else for folks to digest.


White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners - Vox


Facts matter.

Are you a white American man?

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Are you a white American man?

Yep.

[graciegirl]

When I, Grace Gantner, read that a rented van has deliberately run into a lot of people, I think it is probably a terrorist driving. An immigrant from another country who hates us. Or hates western values.

That is what I think.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Something else for folks to digest.


White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners - Vox


Facts matter.

Yes facts matter.. That article clearly states a limited time frame of when the current president has been in office. It wasn't a white American man that brought down the Twin Towers.

Then there's the whole domestic terrorism category.. What exactly is domestic terrorism? Is it just mass murder or any murder? Because the aggregate mass killings in cities like Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Oakland, etc. are probably not being perpetrated by and large by white American men.

[manaboutown]

Alek Minassian was the driver. According to the news he had no prior extensive police contact or surveillance record, unlike the lunatic at the Waffle House. Alek also appeared to not have a group of close friends, may have been antisocial. What we know about Alek Minassian, alleged driver in deadly Toronto van attack | CBC News

His surname appears to be Armenian in origin. I am close to several Armenians who are wonderful people in every way.

More shall be revealed, no doubt.

[skip0358]

Originally Posted by redwitch

It sickens and saddens me. No one deserves to die so callously and no family deserves to have to live with the pain. Some of these murderers do deserve some sympathy since they are truly mentally ill and have been for a long time (I.e., Reinking), but their acts still nauseate me. (BTW, I think Reinking’s father should be locked up for a few lifetimes if it is true that he gave the weapons back to Reinking.) To kill another for attention or in the name of a cause, especially a religion, is inexcusable. These murderers are scum, plain and simple. They should be locked in a cell and have the words of survivors and family members piped in nonstop for the rest of their lives.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Bucco

You are correct.

Someone mentioned social media, and they are correct. This country just had hearings on a number of different aspects of this. BUT nobody seems to care and there are no plans or actions to even try to fix it. There is no calming voice for us either.

Disregard for humanity in this country is being fed to us, and we seem to just allow it.

Can't think of a mass shooting or terrible crime that prompted our country to change one damn thing.

Gotta stop, but the facts are out there, even some solutions but no leadership, thus it will continue.

Umm, the van attack was in Canada. Many of the other horrific events that we've heard about have taken place in Europe. It's not just this country, it's the world.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Umm, the van attack was in Canada. Many of the other horrific events that we've heard about have taken place in Europe. It's not just this country, it's the world.

Time to strengthen the survivors/victims hand in the legal game by information accessible through many avenues and provided by Sheriffs' Departments, lawyers, social workers, nurses, law professors, librarians, physicians, psychiatrists, publishers, CEOs, etc. For a start, information like that on the Washoe County Sheriff's web-site should be available on every community's web-sites and modified of course to meet that community's needs. Canadian communities would be different as well as another countries' criminal, mental health support system, languages, etc. would come into play. Washoe County Sheriff's Office - Northern Nevada's Full Service Law Enforcement Agency Other Sheriffs' Offices around the country might have even more useful links for survivors/victims of crimes.

Lawyers could provide even more useful information if they would give away some of the tricks of their trade. I have actually seen some of my classmates from the U of MN Law School Class of 1989 providing some of this kind of information in their respective communities and fields of legal expertise.

I remember when Priscilla Ford did something similar to this Canadian man. This was in Reno, Nevada on a Thanksgiving Day in 1980.
Priscilla Ford - Wikipedia Mentally Ill Woman Dies After 20 Years on Nevada's Death Row | Death Penalty Information Center

Priscilla Joyce Ford
Priscilla Joyce Ford.jpg
Born Priscilla Joyce Ford
February 10, 1929
Died January 29, 2005 (aged 75)
Southern Nevada Women's Correctional Center, North Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
Cause of death Emphysema
Occupation Teacher
Criminal penalty Death
Children 3
Details
Date November 27, 1980
3:00 pm
Location(s) Reno, Nevada, United States
Killed 7
Injured 22
Weapons 1974 Lincoln Continental
Priscilla Joyce Ford (February 10, 1929[1] – January 29, 2005[2]) was a mass murderer who was sentenced to death after driving her 1974 blue Lincoln Continental down a sidewalk in downtown Reno, Nevada on Thanksgiving Day in 1980.[3] The attack killed six people and injured 23 more. Ford had been diagnosed as having paranoid schizophrenia with violent tendencies, she had been treated and released by seven different hospitals before moving to Reno in 1980.[4] Ford launched numerous appeals against her death sentence, all of which failed. A heavy smoker, she died at the age of 75 after suffering from emphysema.

[DeanFL]

recommendations>

1. Ban rental vans that may appear menacing

2. Background checks to rent

3. Three-day waiting period

I DO NOT want to be insensitive or flippant re this - and actually wondered when hearing this yet-again vehicle mow-down... do our 3 Town Squares have bollards that can slow/stop vehicles? Just checked TV site -live vids of the Squares...NOPE. Never really noticed. Note to TV Security mgt....

I heard on radio news that about 100 people have been killed and many hundreds injured by vehicular attacks as this one in Toronto in the past 5 years or so. (would think it would be higher, but) How many by drunk/sleepy/inattentive(texting) in the USA alone in that period??? MANY times that - but as in anything - like terror, plane or train, fires, you name it - get the media's -and OUR attention.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

recommendations>

1. Ban rental vans that may appear menacing

2. Background checks to rent

3. Three-day waiting period

I DO NOT want to be insensitive or flippant re this - and actually wondered when hearing this yet-again vehicle mow-down... do our 3 Town Squares have bollards that can slow/stop vehicles? Just checked TV site -live vids of the Squares...NOPE. Never really noticed. Note to TV Security mgt....

I heard on radio news that about 100 people have been killed and many hundreds injured by vehicular attacks as this one in Toronto in the past 5 years or so. (would think it would be higher, but) How many by drunk/sleepy/inattentive(texting) in the USA alone in that period??? MANY times that - but as in anything - like terror, plane or train, fires, you name it - get the media's -and OUR attention.

Do agree that the Villages management should be thinking that this could happen here. And doing things to prevent it.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

recommendations>

1. Ban rental vans that may appear menacing

2. Background checks to rent

3. Three-day waiting period

I DO NOT want to be insensitive or flippant re this - and actually wondered when hearing this yet-again vehicle mow-down... do our 3 Town Squares have bollards that can slow/stop vehicles? Just checked TV site -live vids of the Squares...NOPE. Never really noticed. Note to TV Security mgt....

I heard on radio news that about 100 people have been killed and many hundreds injured by vehicular attacks as this one in Toronto in the past 5 years or so. (would think it would be higher, but) How many by drunk/sleepy/inattentive(texting) in the USA alone in that period??? MANY times that - but as in anything - like terror, plane or train, fires, you name it - get the media's -and OUR attention.

Something that could save about 10,000 times as many lives, would be a standard breathalyzer from the manufacturer in every vehicle that one would have to breath in...before a vehicle would start and a person could drive it.

Then we could discuss an 'obesity meter' that could cut down on the potential disaster of an obese person having a sudden heart attack...while driving a motor vehicle.

I guess my point is, that some folks seem to be much more afraid of what is thousands of times less likely to kill them...than those things that are much more likely to take their life.

I, quite frankly, find it hard to comprehend...irrational fears.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

recommendations>

1. Ban rental vans that may appear menacing

2. Background checks to rent

3. Three-day waiting period

I DO NOT want to be insensitive or flippant re this - and actually wondered when hearing this yet-again vehicle mow-down... do our 3 Town Squares have bollards that can slow/stop vehicles? Just checked TV site -live vids of the Squares...NOPE. Never really noticed. Note to TV Security mgt....

I heard on radio news that about 100 people have been killed and many hundreds injured by vehicular attacks as this one in Toronto in the past 5 years or so. (would think it would be higher, but) How many by drunk/sleepy/inattentive(texting) in the USA alone in that period??? MANY times that - but as in anything - like terror, plane or train, fires, you name it - get the media's -and OUR attention.

Well, bollards could be added every 6 feet around the squares, snipers could be located on the roof tops just in case.
Come on, life is a risk every day of our lives. Not every threat (real or not) can be prevented.