[onslowe]

A few quick comments. Golfingnut, this thread is going to get bitter and unfriendly. I am a bit disappointed given the fact that I tried to helpfully contribute and participate with others in at least one of your earlier threads. I hope you do consider the advice and counsel others gave you and you are not just moving on to other 'touchy' topics. These are meant as friendly comments.

To Joerocker, and to PennBF, please also read and consider "I Don't Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist," by Norman L. Geisler and Frank Turek. Among other things, it quite handily deals with Truth, and which religion might stand the test of honest reasoning from evidence and which might not. But more to the point in this thread, it displays for all to see the absolute illogic and arrogant prejudice of the New Atheists and their sheep like followers. When you mention Michael Schermer, and one of his books, please let readers know he is virulently anti-religion. Puts things in perspective for inquiring minds.

Pax.

[joerocker]

Originally Posted by onslowe

A few quick comments. Golfingnut, this thread is going to get bitter and unfriendly. I am a bit disappointed given the fact that I tried to helpfully contribute and participate with others in at least one of your earlier threads. I hope you do consider the advice and counsel others gave you and you are not just moving on to other 'touchy' topics. These are meant as friendly comments.

To Joerocker, and to PennBF, please also read and consider "I Don't Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist," by Norman L. Geisler and Frank Turek. Among other things, it quite handily deals with Truth, and which religion might stand the test of honest reasoning from evidence and which might not. But more to the point in this thread, it displays for all to see the absolute illogic and arrogant prejudice of the New Atheists and their sheep like followers. When you mention Michael Schermer, and one of his books, please let readers know he is virulently anti-religion. Puts things in perspective for inquiring minds.

Pax.

Oh, I hope it doesn't get ugly...

So? People siding for religion cite people virulently FOR religion. Lets give both sides an equal say.

[Vernster]

Originally Posted by joerocker

Red, do you see the irony?

You do yourself what you hate others for doing. Judging. Unfairly.

People have a right to their own opinion just as you do. Respect that and accept it. Not everyone will share your views.

How do you figure that Red witch is judging unfairly ? Why do you feel that we should respect the values and opinions of a bigot or someone that discriminates against others ?

[PennBF]

It is great to have a real good discussion on a subject in TOTV's with few "attempts to be funny or nasty". Joerocker I pretty much agree with your note. In another case one would suggest that to read a book by Schermer may indicate the person is "anti religion" let me assure I am not. When I was in College I was an assistant pastor at a church to help pay my way through school. Of course I am no longer near being a Pastor but I do believe in religion and although I am not sure mine is the absolute "truth" it is good enough to have me have some basis for good living. Again thanks for the intelligent and meaningful dialoge.

[2BNTV]

"I never beieved in looking up to too many people, as they will have a way of disappointing you". "Ordinary People" quote from Donald Sutherland.

There are several people, (can count them on one hand), who I have greatly respected, who have shared their truths. They are people who I would listen to intently, as they have a great amount of knowledge.

Unfortunately, they are no longer with us.

[PennBF]

There seems to be a confusion in 2BNTV's note. Because someone reads a book does not mean the person "looks up" to the Author. If that were the case I would have to look up to a multiude of people. It does mean the person may have taken something from the book. Possibily all, portions or none. I would hope that is the case. I do believe in some of what Schermer has written and think others are not accurate "in my mind". It is thought provoking and it is always left to the reader to decide for themselves what they like and don't like. The only thing I will add is that I kind of write off persons who profess to have the "truth" as truth is pretty fickle.