[buggyone]

Originally Posted by chachacha

my question for days has been, why don't we send the national guard to prevent entry of these people or at least to take the burden of processing them away from the border patrol, so they can stop them??? what is the national guard for if not for this?

Why not give M-60 machine guns to the National Guard and let them open fire on the immigrants as they enter the Rio Grande to cross over?

...and people wonder why the Hispanics vote the way they do.

[Topspinmo]

NO PASSPORT, NO birth certificate, no ID, DEPORT. Get in line like the legal immigration has be done for centuries which IS LEGAL. LEGAL seems to be the Oxymoron here. We need to Enact MEXICO Immigration laws Which I wonder how they migrate through Mexico with such 3rd world immigration laws (guess they have been trained by the present US Fed. government that's suppose to enforce immigration laws. Heck maybe in few years when the seize control they will be deporting American Citizen's.

Why not give M-60 machine guns" naa, the AA-12 will do.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaNvIviMeNg[/ame]



That was a JOKE Buggy I know how you like guns in the hands of idiots

[Barefoot]

I don't know anything about Mexican immigration.

My husband and I are Canadians citizens.
My mother was born in the United States.
We own a home in The Villages.
We pay property taxes and amenity fees all year long.
When we travel to Florida, we buy medical insurance in Canada which covers us while we travel.
Canadian snowbirds cost the USA nothing and add dollars to the economy.

As Canadians, we are limited to 182 days in a calendar year.
The USA government will not allow us to stay longer.
We would love to spend more time in the USA, but we are not allowed to.
There is no such thing as a "retiree visa".
If we outstay our welcome, there is a possibility that we will be denied
entry to the US for the next five years.
When we are in the USA, we are considered "resident aliens".

[Topspinmo]

Bare I was jokingly addressing illegal immigration and buggy outrageous comment about machine guns. NOBODY has problems with legal immigration or travel. Beside it obvious you could just stay all year and nothing would be done on the US of a side anyway. You would be SHOCKED to know how Mexico handles illegal immigration into there country and they ramble we are the bad hombres'.

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I don't know anything about Mexican immigration.

My husband and I are Canadians citizens.
My mother was born in the United States.
We own a home in The Villages.
We pay property taxes and amenity fees all year long.
When we travel to Florida, we buy medical insurance in Canada which covers us while we travel.
Canadian snowbirds cost the USA nothing and add dollars to the economy.

As Canadians, we are limited to 182 days in a calendar year.
The USA government will not allow us to stay longer.
We would love to spend more time in the USA, but we are not allowed to.
There is no such thing as a "retiree visa".
If we outstay our welcome, there is a possibility that we will be denied
entry to the US for the next five years.
When we are in the USA, we are considered "resident aliens".

Not fair, but that is what America is becoming.

[De Lis]

I simply can not believe that no one from either party has stepped up to date and stated that this monsoon of people has to stop! It will only get worse and both sides are digging in their heels. Such smart people we have elected - when is the next election so we can begin again with new faces? This is nuts!

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I don't know anything about Mexican immigration..

As Canadians, we are limited to 182 days in a calendar year.
The USA government will not allow us to stay longer.
We would love to spend more time in the USA, but we are not allowed to.
There is no such thing as a "retiree visa".
If we outstay our welcome, there is a possibility that we will be denied
entry to the US for the next five years.
When we are in the USA, we are considered "resident aliens".

Bare - and thank you and our other Canadian friends for obeying our laws. My daughter married a Jamaican last July and they are still paying $$$ and working towards bringing him to the US. The legal way to enter this country is very difficult. She was actually told by immigration if he could get in the country and marry you in the US he could stay. Screwed up laws by screwed up politicians.

Many people are in the same situation and don't understand why the laws aren't enforced if you come from south of our border.

[De Lis]

Gomoho: Your family is obeying the law, which is exactly what people are supposed to do. Best wishes to both in this long process; and yes, they could have come over on a Fiance Visa and married within 90 days, then started the process.
Bare: As long as your mother was an American, you can claim your rights and apply for an American passport...Dual citizenship. Maybe that could help to solve your problem a bit.
Again, the time for both parties to begin the talking was Yesterday, because now there isn't a moment to spare - it is becoming worse and with no end in sight. Sick of this Congress!

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by De Lis

Gomoho: Your family is obeying the law, which is exactly what people are supposed to do. Best wishes to both in this long process; and yes, they could have come over on a Fiance Visa and married within 90 days, then started the process.
Bare: As long as your mother was an American, you can claim your rights and apply for an American passport...Dual citizenship. Maybe that could help to solve your problem a bit.
Again, the time for both parties to begin the talking was Yesterday, because now there isn't a moment to spare - it is becoming worse and with no end in sight. Sick of this Congress!

Absolutely agree. The US Senate passed a bi-partisan comprehensive immigration reform law over a year ago, but the house refuses to bring it up for a vote. The votes are there to pass it, but no vote will be taken.

In answer to Chachacha's question about using the national guard, immigration is run by the federal government and the national guard is run by the states. Enforcement of immigration laws are provided by various federal agencies, ICE, ATF, homeland security, etc.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Bare - and thank you and our other Canadian friends for obeying our laws. My daughter married a Jamaican last July and they are still paying $$$ and working towards bringing him to the US. The legal way to enter this country is very difficult. She was actually told by immigration if he could get in the country and marry you in the US he could stay. Screwed up laws by screwed up politicians.

Many people are in the same situation and don't understand why the laws aren't enforced if you come from south of our border.

I have taken the liberty of highlighting a small portion from gomoho's post that succinctly states the intent of my original post. There has been, for the most part, good discussion. However the main question remains unanswered and as yet not addressed.....WHY?

I think the examples of our Canadian friends and neighbors, who actually add revenues to our economy are limited by laws which are apparently enforced. And those from South of our borders, most of which will need economic/health support have a free pass. The same laws for both borders. The same laws as a matter of fact for all our borders and regardless what country from.

WHY????? The overt, accepted, assisted, defended illegal entry ALLOWED from our Southern border?

As one post above intimated....just try to enter Mexico illegally and see where one winds up!!!!!

[ilovetv]

Food for thought below. Please do not turn it into a partisan fight that gets this thread shut down. People want to discuss this massive influx of youth and to learn more of all aspects of the problem.

"

The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".

Cloward and Piven were a married couple who were both professors at the Columbia University School of Social Work. The strategy was formulated in a May 1966 article in the liberal[1] magazine The Nation titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty".[2]

The two stated that many Americans who were eligible for welfare were not receiving benefits, and that a welfare enrollment drive would strain local budgets, precipitating a crisis at the state and local levels that would be a wake-up call for the federal government.....

They wrote:

The ultimate objective of this strategy—to wipe out poverty by establishing a guaranteed annual income—will be questioned by some. Because the ideal of individual social and economic mobility has deep roots, even activists seem reluctant to call for national programs to eliminate poverty by the outright redistribution of income.”

Michael Reisch and Janice Andrews wrote that Cloward and Piven "proposed to create a crisis in the current welfare system – by exploiting the gap between welfare law and practice – that would ultimately bring about its collapse and replace it with a system of guaranteed annual income.

They hoped to accomplish this end by informing the poor of their rights to welfare assistance, encouraging them to apply for benefits and, in effect, overloading an already overburdened bureaucracy.......

Cloward

[janmcn]

Call your congressman and tell him to vote on the massive bipartisan border security bill passed by the senate.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Call your congressman and tell him to vote on the massive bipartisan border security bill passed by the senate.

On one of those Sunday tv shows my husband the political science major watches, they said the chances for that bill even being voted on are nil. The reasons are too po****cal to discuss here.

[JPC55]

For once lets take care of OUR OWN and not the world problems.. Detroit is bankrupt, cities and schools are in bad shape, etc ,etc.. We spend more time and money OUTSIDE the U.S then taking care of OUR own. Oh and yes , we are in the RED.. forgot! Lets just open the flood gates.. Do it legally.

[Rags123]

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