[NJblue]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Did you watch the testimony yesterday? Every witness, neighbors, were asked "Did you see Trayvon Martin pounding George Zimmerman's head on the pavement?" Everyone of the witnesses said "no".

It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots. The closest eye witness said that Martin had Zimmerman pinned down on the concrete and was going up and down with his arms. Then Zimmerman has cuts and bumps on the back of his head. How else would you explain this? A CPR attempt gone bad???

It is amazing to me the extent to which the Zimmerman detractors will go to explaing away the facts in this case. I can only hope that the jurors do not have similar prejudices. Remember - it is the prosection's task to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was not using self defense when he shot Martin.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by janmcn

If my head were pounded on the pavement, I would expect to have some visible injuries, perhaps a concussion. The physician's assistant, who treated George Zimmerman the day after the beating, testified yesterday that the only visible injury was a one centimeter gash that did not require stitches. He may have had a broken nose, but this was never established since he refused to go to the emergency room the night of the incident. Also, the swelling around the nose had subsided considerably by the next day.

After the beating you describe, where were the injuries?

That's NOT what she testified. She said that there were multiple cuts as well as multiple lumps where the skin had not been broken. It doesn't take broken skin to cause serious injuries - just ask a football player who has received a concussion - even though no blood was evident. How else do you explain the injuries and the blood streaming down tha back of Zimmerman's head? Also, it doesn't take a concussion for one to experience extreme pain and extreme fear for one's life when one is helpless under a man pounding on you.

[Patty55]

Let's not forget that Tracy Martin, Trayvon's father said it was not his son calling for help on the 911 tape.

[karostay]

If Zimmernan has the same jury as Paul Dean he'll get the chair

[Parker]

Oh how I wish that none of us knew the color or sex of either party in this tragedy! Then the facts might truly speak for themselves instead of for every prejudice we all bring to the table.

[tucson]

fyi; you do NOT have to have any bleeding and/or bumps on the head to have a blood clot in the brain or a fractured skull from a blow and/or repeated hit or hits to the head.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by buggyone

The undisputed fact IS Zimmerman did kill Martin! Would it have happened IF Zimmerman had minded his own business and not gotten out of his car with a loaded pistol and followed Martin? The answer is NO! Was Martin breaking any law by walking through Twin Lakes where he was staying? The answer is NO! Was there any reason for Zimmerman to go looking for him? The answer is NO!

Zimmerman was hunting for Martin. What happened is tragic and Zimmerman's life changed forever when Martin's ended.

'Nuff said.

I don't know if you are reporting all of the facts. As I understand it, Zimerman was on Cummunity Watch. He saw something about Marting that he thought was suspicious. What that was, we may never know. The rest of the story is that Zimmerman called the police, as was the protocol, and he was told to break off his pursuit which he did. Martin then supposedly followed him back to his car and confronted him while screaming, Why are you following me?". That is when the scuffle began.

I believe that there was also testimony from a witness who saw Trayvon Martin on top of Zimmerman pummeling him "marshall arts style" or some such thing.

The story is a bit more complicated than some people would like to make it.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Some people are making an issue out of the fact that witnesses state that they saw Martin on top of Zimmerman pummeling him MMA style, BUT DIDN"T SEE HIM SMASHING HIS HEAD AGINST THE PAVEMENT.

Zimmerman had injuries to his face assumably caused by punches. The medical report says that he had a broken nose. He's lying on his back, lifts up his head, gets punched in the nose and his head impacts the pavement. Is that not logical? Would an assailant have to physically take his head in his hands and pound it into the pavement for him to receive those wounds to the back of his head?

[Parker]

If I understand correctly, though Zimmerman was a member of Community Watch, he was not on duty that night. He was on his way to go shopping when he was sidetracked by spotting Martin.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Five minutes is an ETERNITY in a fight. That is why people carry guns, so they can protect themselves when they can not wait for police to arrive in time to stop it and save them from grave bodily harm and worse. Zimmerman had already suffered a broken nose, two black eyes and cranial injuries from Martin's sucker punch followed by the MMA ground and pound. Thankfully, he had a pistol when he needed one with which to defend himself!

American society. I guess in some states Zimmerman will have just been bashed to death since he couldn't carry a gun legally. But then again if he was up north he would have been smart enough to not follow and stay in his car to start with. In florida a skinny little man can be much bigger as long as he has his gun with him. Note to self. If I am ever in a situation where I am fighting for my life and shoot the person I need to play up the injuries and get to a hospital.

[gomoho]

I applaud anyone that reports suspicious activity to the police whether they are on community watch or not. I actually had our police non-emergency number in my phone because where I lived there was suspicious activity all the time. And yes on several different occasions my husband and I followed to not lose sight of them before the police arrived. Your life circumstances are what play into your decision as to how you will address a situation of this type. No we were not carrying a weapon at any of these times because we do not have a permit.

[ugotme]

Unfortunately none of us will probably never know EXACTLY what happened that night.

One thing is for sure - There are those who think Zimmerman is guilty because he is white and those that think Martin is guilty because he is black !

"Just the facts maam!"

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by gomoho

I applaud anyone that reports suspicious activity to the police whether they are on community watch or not. I actually had our police non-emergency number in my phone because where I lived there was suspicious activity all the time. And yes on several different occasions my husband and I followed to not lose sight of them before the police arrived. Your life circumstances are what play into your decision as to how you will address a situation of this type. No we were not carrying a weapon at any of these times because we do not have a permit.

It is a good idea to have Community Watch's number in your phone. I do and have called to report a spouting fire hydrant once that was broken.

When you followed suspicious persons, did you do it on foot or in your car? Did you ever confront them and ask what they are doing there? Were any of those suspicious people arrested?

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by ugotme

Unfortunately none of us will probably never know EXACTLY what happened that night.

One thing is for sure - There are those who think Zimmerman is guilty because he is white and those that think Martin is guilty because he is black !

"Just the facts maam!"

Actually Zimmerman is at least 1/8 black since he has a (Peruvian) black great grandfather. He identifies himself as an hispanic which as we all know is not a racial designation but rather a group identification encompassing people, at least ancestorily, sharing Spanish as a native language. Moreover the community is very racially and culturally diversified. From the transcript of Zimmerman's 911 call Zimmerman noticed Martin, not out of place on account of his race, but because of his odd behavior as well as not recognizing Martin as a resident.

The good old mainstream media is the probable source of the disinformation leading both to Zimmerman being widely believed to be white, rather than of mixed racial heritage, and racially profiling Martin which resulted in racially inflaming the situation. We do know they deliberately edited Zimmerman's 911 call transcript to make it appear Zimmerman was concerned about Martin on account of his being black rather than Martin's odd behavior and being a stranger rather than a community resident.

[mickey100]

Zimmerman had a history of calling 911 to report "suspicious" activity. The fact that he followed Martin after being told to step aside is a clear sign of aggression.