[mickey100]

Originally Posted by NJblue

So, what is your point about saying it was an "act of aggression"? If you claim that he still had a right to self defense, that's exactly what he did.

Where has it been established that he was not being pummeled? The eye witness claims it was a "ground and pound" attack. That, to me, is a more aggressive description of an attack than "pummeled".

He had a bloody nose and a scrape on his head. He refused medical care. I didn't say or not day he had a right to self defense. We don't know the facts yet to make that determination. My only point was that had I been in that kids place I would have found Zimmerman threatening.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by Patty55

His tweets and texts are very revealing. His twitter name "no_limit_nigga" (his words, not mine) says a lot, as do the photos with the gold grill on his teeth. I'm sure none of this will come out at trial, but it's all there in the discovery.

Oh boy, a gold grill sure makes him a criminal. I seem to recall Ryan Lochte the Olympic swimmer from Florida had one of those as well. A lot of things are different to us oldere people but are commonplace among younger ones.

[Patty55]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Ohio, a gold grill sure makes him a criminal. I seem to recall Ryan Lochte the Olympic swimmer from Florida had one of those as well.

Don't know what Ohio has to do with it, but in my country having gold grillwork on your mouth and a twitter name "no_limit_nigga" (again, his words not mine)wouldn't make you a criminal but it would clearly earn you top ranking on the NOKD list.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I hold to my original assessment! Both ere macho and filled with testosterone, with one key separator. George Z had the gun. I still do not see murder, but do see manslaughter.

I agree on the manslaughter charge with seven to ten years. Second degree murder with life in prison is a stretch.

Zimmerman will do just fine in prison, as long as nobody finds out he shot an unarmed teenager.

Next week should be interesting with the detective who wanted to charge Zimmerman right away, testifying first.

[buggyone]

Anyhow, profiling people based on gold dental jewelry and a twitter name is over the top.

How about sticking to the evidence presented at the trial since that is what the jury will be looking at for their verdict?

I saw a few minutes of FOX NOISE today and one of their "expert legal analysts" predicted that after both sides present their case, the judge will toss it out of court saying there was no evidence that was presented by the prosecutor. He also predicted the prosecutor will be charged with "presecutorial misconduct". FAIR AND BALANCED!

[Patty55]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Anyhow, profiling people based on gold dental jewelry and a twitter name is over the top.

How about sticking to the evidence presented at the trial since that is what the jury will be looking at for their verdict?

I saw a few minutes of FOX NOISE today and one of their "expert legal analysts" predicted that after both sides present their case, the judge will toss it out of court saying there was no evidence that was presented by the prosecutor. He also predicted the prosecutor will be charged with "presecutorial misconduct". FAIR AND BALANCED!

Respectfully, I disagree. I think that how TM chose to portray himself says a lot. Who knows, so far we have only seen States witnesses, maybe the Twitter/Text messages will come in.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Anyhow, profiling people based on gold dental jewelry and a twitter name is over the top.

How about sticking to the evidence presented at the trial since that is what the jury will be looking at for their verdict?

I saw a few minutes of FOX NOISE today and one of their "expert legal analysts" predicted that after both sides present their case, the judge will toss it out of court saying there was no evidence that was presented by the prosecutor. He also predicted the prosecutor will be charged with "presecutorial misconduct". FAIR AND BALANCED!

Those are OPINIONS, that is all. At least Fox attempts report the facts and provides opinions on BOTH sides of most issues unlike the mainstream media which serve ONLY as propaganda organs. By the way, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz known as one of the nation's most outstanding civil rights advocates based on his assessment of the evidence believes Zimmerman should never have been brought to trial. The prosecutor Angela Corey threatened to sue Harvard but he refused to retract his statement. She is a mess! Look at her record. This whole thing is driven by political ambition and pressure form the usual assortment of race baiters and the agendas of extremist groups.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-d...b_1571942.html

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...xpayer-dollars

By the way, how could Zimmerman have profiled Martin on his twitter name or have noticed Martin's teeth prior to calling 911 about Martin, whom he had seen only at some distance? From the 911 transcript Zimmerman was not initially certain of Martin's race.

[DougB]

Originally Posted by Monkei

American society. I guess in some states Zimmerman will have just been bashed to death since he couldn't carry a gun legally. But then again if he was up north he would have been smart enough to not follow and stay in his car to start with.

Why would he be smart enough not to follow if he was up north? Are you saying people in the south are stupid? Do northerners get stupid after moving to Florida? Maybe they put stupid pills in the water?

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Those are OPINIONS, that is all. At least Fox attempts report the facts and provides opinions on BOTH sides of most issues unlike the mainstream media which serve ONLY as propaganda organs. By the way, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz known as one of the nation's most outstanding civil rights advocates based on his assessment of the evidence believes Zimmerman should never have been brought to trial. The prosecutor Angela Corey threatened to sue Harvard but he refused to retract his statement. She is a mess! Look at her record. This whole thing is driven by political ambition and pressure form the usual assortment of race baiters and the agendas of extremist groups.

Alan Dershowitz: On Prosecutor Angela Corey's Rant About My Criticism of Her

State Attorney Angela Corey upgrades her pension with taxpayer dollars | jacksonville.com

By the way, how could Zimmerman have profiled Martin on his twitter name or have noticed Martin's teeth prior to calling 911 about Martin, whom he had seen only at some distance? From the 911 transcript Zimmerman was not initially certain of Martin's race.

Prosecutor Angela Corey was appointed to this case by Govenor Rick Scott (R-FL). So where does the political ambition and pressure from the usual assortment of race baiters and the agendas of extremist groups come from?

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Prosecutor Angela Corey was appointed to this case by Govenor Rick Scott (R-FL). So where does the political ambition and pressure from the usual assortment of race baiters and the agendas of extremist groups come from?

I will allow the jury, the facts and the law decide whatever happens in this case.

I cannot go without commenting on this and other posts on how this became a media show.

This began because the police did not file charges immediately in a case where a white man shot and killed a black teen. We now know it was NOT a "white" man at all and the reason there was no arrest was THE LAW WHICH PROVIDED THEY COULD NOT ARREST A SUSPECT WHO CLAIMED SELF DEFENSE WITHOUT PROOF OF NO SELF DEFENSE.

So the LAW slowed everything down, then the Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson's of the world kicked in. This was covered DAILY by MSNBC with selected facts, roused up race activists and then became a POLITICAL issue of note, even mentioned by the President.

You read the posts on here and can see the political leaning of the posters.

I am rooting for justice, not the defendant, not the victim, not the families....JUSTICE. I get very uncomfortable seeing VICTIMS AND SCAPEGOATS of politically motivated movements.....they are powerless and become unwilling pawns of people who care not about right or wrong OR the people involved.

Both Fox and MSNBC have messages they want to send...MSNBC has gone way over the edge in this case, in my opinion.

How about "rooting" for justice as determined by our court system, instead of "rooting" for our various media outlets or political commentators.

Sorry for the vent.

PS It did not hurt that Mr Martin asked his sis in law who is an attorney how to put pressure on the police while they followed the law but not fast enough. She got hold of a guy named Crump, who happens to be Florida's top civil rights lawyer for advice. He used his press connections to get the story moving and so it began.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Anyhow, profiling people based on gold dental jewelry and a twitter name is over the top.

How about sticking to the evidence presented at the trial since that is what the jury will be looking at.

I have to agree. Judging from what I've seen on TOTV, however, some people are intent on judging people without knowing all the facts or based on superficialities. Hopefully those types won't be on the jury.

[BobnBev]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Will George Zimmerman's three arrests be admitted in this case, and how was someone who had an assault of an officer charge allowed to carry a 9mm gun?


George Zimmerman, Son of a Retired Judge, Has 3 Closed Arrests

He has NO convictions on these charges.

[buggyone]

It is comical to me to see comments from this thread from posters who claim "We now know it was NOT a "white" man at all" that killed Trayvon Martin.

I would really like to see how Zimmerman described himself in terms of race in the years before this killing. I may lose the bet but I would bet an ice-cold Yeungling (at Cody's) that Zimmerman classified himself as "White" or "Caucasian" in times before he killed Martin. Any takers?

[DougB]

"There is only one race - the human race" -Ghandiji

[redwitch]

Given Florida law and the lack of true facts of what occurred, I'm not convinced Zimmerman will be found guilty of anything but very poor judgment. Regardless, a young man died. He may not have been a perfect kid (few kids are) but he never had a chance to grow up and become a man -- maybe the kind of man you might want as a friend and neighbor, maybe the kind you want to stay far, far away from. We'll never know.

I don't care that Martin had a gold grill, called himself a loathsome name on Twitter, got busted for traces of marijuana and was suspended from school. I do care that he was 17, unarmed and is now dead. We all know this kid was not perfect but that doesn't justify his death -- his actions on that evening were not objectionable and were perfectly legal.

Zimmerman is going to have to live with the fact he took a human life; a life that would have not been lost but for his actions (not the actions of Martin). I sincerely hope he can live with these facts. I know I couldn't.

I have no sympathy for Zimmerman but I honestly don't know if he's guilty of a crime. I wasn't there. I don't know if he truly felt in fear for his life or was just angry that this punk dared confront him. I don't know what was going through his mind while he followed Martin, what his intent was. I'm not convinced any of us will ever know.