[AJ32162]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

That's the question I haven't heard asked very much. If Trayvon was so in fear of his life and safety, why would he not have simply run as fast as he could, (he was a football player and outstanding athlete, by the way) instead of following Zimmerman back to his car?

Why? Because Trayvon was going to teach the "creepy ass cracker" a lesson by giving him a good beat down. Unfortunately for Trayvon it didn't turn out the way he planned.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

That's the question I haven't heard asked very much. If Trayvon was so in fear of his life and safety, why would he not have simply run as fast as he could, (he was a football player and outstanding athlete, by the way) instead of following Zimmerman back to his car?

Kind of hard to outrun a bullet. I assume that Trayvon Martin knew that George Zimmerman had a pistol. I have not been following this case all that closely but it certainly seems like Zimmerman exceeded his authority as a Neighborhood Watch volunteer. Not even sure why he was allowed to carry a firearm. If he was even allowed by the authorities to carry such a weapon.

[redwitch]

Originally Posted by gomoho

And the reason Trayvon didn't run right home when a "creepy ass cracker" was supposedly following him???

Here's my theories (and they're based on what I think I would have done at 17):

1. I'm 17 and invincible. My adrenaline is going full tilt. You turn around after scaring me, I'm going to let you know what I think of you. Being a girl, I'm going to use words. Not sure what I'd do if I were a boy. (I didn't say this was a good idea but I can certainly see me doing it and, if I would do it, I can see Martin doing it.)

2. First, I want to make sure you're following me. I want to know why you're following me -- are you out to hurt me? do you want to know where I live to force your way into my home? do you know me or my family?

3. No way am I going to lead you to my house -- you might really be a bad guy and want to break into my home and harm my family.

4. I just smoked some dope and there is no way I want to look stoned to my dad. (Not that unusual for many of today's youth. Heck, it wasn't that unusual for my generation.)

5. I like walking in the rain in my hoodie (yes, I really do). Why should I have to quit my stroll for some jerk who thinks he can intimidate me?

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Monkei

well that's your opinion. Mine is that this state has such lax hand carry laws.

And that is a VERY good thing! If Zimmerman had not been armed Martin's sucker punch and ground and pound could have left him a vegetable, an invalid or beaten to death.

[ugotme]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Kind of hard to outrun a bullet. I assume that Trayvon Martin knew that George Zimmerman had a pistol. I have not been following this case all that closely but it certainly seems like Zimmerman exceeded his authority as a Neighborhood Watch volunteer. Not even sure why he was allowed to carry a firearm. If he was even allowed by the authorities to carry such a weapon.

Always respect your posts T and not taking sides but I don't believe that Trayvon had ANY idea that George was carrying a gun. Heck, I would "assume" that if he did he would have run like heck.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by ugotme

Always respect your posts T and not taking sides but I don't believe that Trayvon had ANY idea that George was carrying a gun. Heck, I would "assume" that if he did he would have run like heck.

Didn't Martin spot Zimmerman's gun only after he was on top of Zimmerman, pounding Zimmerman's head onto the concrete? Zimmerman made a move for it, revealing to Martin he had a gun after which Martin went for the gun but Zimmerman got to it first.

If Martin had stuck to beating up unarmed bus drivers this might never have happened. Too, if the Miami authorities had not cut him loose under political pressure not to arrest more blacks when his backpack was discovered to contain stolen women's jewelry and a burglary tool he may have been locked up in a juvenile detention facility or otherwise disciplined. Other than being suspended from school three times to my knowledge he had not paid the price for any of his past criminal behavior. Too much leniency is not a good thing. It serves to encourage more criminal behavior like sucker punching, grounding and pounding a concerned citizen.

[DougB]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

And that is a VERY good thing! If Zimmerman had not been armed Martin's sucker punch and ground and pound could have left him a vegetable, an invalid or beaten to death.

How do you know he was sucker punched? Only one to say that was Zimmerman. Why not stay with the evidence?

[twheel]

Originally Posted by Monkei

I agree with concealed weapons, I have had one since 2001, I just don't like lax laws which allow you to shoot another human being just because you are standing your ground. I don't know if GZ is guilty of a crime, but he is guilty of moral stupidity.

Its self defence,not stand your ground. And self defence is NOT immoral.

[getdul981]

It appears that the prosecution doesn't feel that they have enough for a conviction. I just saw that the prosecutors have requested that the jury be allowed to convict GZ on a lesser charge of 3rd degree murder?? or manslaughter. The defense on the other hand wants to stick with the original charge and either guilty or innocent. The prosecution evidently feels that they don't quite have enough for a convition without a shadow of a doubt.

[Lark7]

Frankly, I do not know whether GZ is guilty or not. Having said that, it concerns me that lesser charges are allowed by the court - it would seem that an experienced prosecutor would know that the merits and evidence of the case caused him/her to file the correct charge. Otherwise, it would seem that the court influences the jury (gosh, I am glad that I am not a juror) by suggesting that if the prosecutor's charges doesn't resonate, then peruse the menu of other charges. Can you spell appeal?

[ugotme]

Haven't been following the trial but saw something in the newspaper relating to "child abuse" because Trayvon was under 18.

Seems the prosecution is grabbing at straws!

[buckscounty]

Not guilty.

[Taltarzac725]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin


http://www.cbsnews.com/george-zimmer...n-martin-case/

I will be surprised if George Zimmerman is found guilty. The prosecution has not met their burden of proof on the various elements that they would need to get a guilty verdict. It might go the other way if George Zimmerman testified but he does have the right to take the Fifth Amendment. I always have some qualms about just how innocent someone is who does not take the stand especially when they have very high priced lawyers protecting their interests.

[gomoho]

The prosecution's closing argument is absolutely pathetic. Instead of making a case he can only try and refute the facts the evidence has supplied. He is once again making a case for the defense.

[jebartle]

that Trayvon was smaller....It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the FIGHT in the dog.....All he had to do was respond to Zimmerman that he was heading home and none of this would have happened...