I, for one, am NOT crying for the Insurance Companies....that stopped when they denied coverage for a newborn baby saying it was a PRE-EXISTING condition.

Baby Denied Medical Coverage While in Womb: 'Good Morning America' Gets Answers from Health Insurance - ABC News

They have been making out like bandits for years bleeding us dry. I spent $800.00 a month as a retiree for healthcare until I got on Medicare.

https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015...ness-customers

Originally Posted by Guest

Bull hockey! Your ancestors probably said the same thing about Social Security and your parents said it about Medicare. Without the two of those programs, America would have seniors with no income at all or seniors with no way of paying medical expenses.

ACA is an excellent program and has helped millions of Americans obtain health insurance - with pre-existing conditions not being a exclusion.

Doctors are not leaving in droves, plenty of medical school grads.

Finally ! After all this time someone has clearly and empirically explained it to me ! Now I see the light and the wisdom ! Thank-you !!!

Anyone that thinks Social Security is a good deal for ANYONE but the government is either uninformed or just plain stupid.

The problem the Lobbists spread the honey and the insurance industry wrote the aca. The dumb democrats didn't even read it, do we remember her "we got to pass it to see what's in it!

The only way it will work is GET RID of ALL insurance companies and have single payer the government that can control costs and regulate th system. INsurance is nothing more that legal racketeering For CEOs lobbyist and your elected officials (lying $$&&$ criminals that should be hung)

This system Is FUP there Is NO FIX for it. It was bad before now it worse.

Originally Posted by Guest

The problem the Lobbists spread the honey and the insurance industry wrote the aca. The dumb democrats didn't even read it, do we remember her "we got to pass it to see what's in it!

The only way it will work is GET RID of ALL insurance companies and have single payer the government that can control costs and regulate th system. INsurance is nothing more that legal racketeering For CEOs lobbyist and your elected officials (lying $$&&$ criminals that should be hung)

This system Is FUP there Is NO FIX for it. It was bad before now it worse.

WHAT??? You want government to be completely in charge of insurance companies? I always thought you meatheads wanted less government control? I guess you want it only when it is your best interest, huh?

Originally Posted by Guest

Why don't you put up figures that support your argument?

Figures were put up on a prior post that supports the complete opposite.

You want figures to support the argument? No need. Just ask anyone that has insurance how much they pay for it now. My daughter has private insurance and the deductible went up thousands of bucks. I don't have deductible and my premiums went up 20+%, my hospital copay went up 50%, doctor's copay went up 20% and my wife's prescriptions went up 20%. How many still do not have health insurance? How many are being counted as having insurance now that didn't need or want it before? How many lost their insurance and had to use ObummerCare to get new coverage, due to a gov mandate that they purchase a service (Unconstitutional regardless of Supreme Court decision)?
United Health Care has just dropped out of ACA because of it's huge losses. Obummercare is stealing half a trillion bucks from Medicare to help subsidize it's huge expense.

So, liberals can pat themselves on their backs for ObummerCare all they wish but all the while they are ignoring reality.

ObummerCare figures are being falsified just like the real unemployment numbers, and liberals are so full of cr@p that their eyes are clouded and reality is "teen mothers" and "dancing with the has beens."

Originally Posted by Guest

You want figures to support the argument? No need. Just ask anyone that has insurance how much they pay for it now. My daughter has private insurance and the deductible went up thousands of bucks. I don't have deductible and my premiums went up 20+%, my hospital copay went up 50%, doctor's copay went up 20% and my wife's prescriptions went up 20%. How many still do not have health insurance? How many are being counted as having insurance now that didn't need or want it before? How many lost their insurance and had to use ObummerCare to get new coverage, due to a gov mandate that they purchase a service (Unconstitutional regardless of Supreme Court decision)?
United Health Care has just dropped out of ACA because of it's huge losses. Obummercare is stealing half a trillion bucks from Medicare to help subsidize it's huge expense.

So, liberals can pat themselves on their backs for ObummerCare all they wish but all the while they are ignoring reality.


ObummerCare figures are being falsified just like the real unemployment numbers, and liberals are so full of cr@p that their eyes are clouded and reality is "teen mothers" and "dancing with the has beens."

That is right. When numbers don't support your argument ignore the numbers. You think that insurance companies weren't raising their rates at a much higher number than inflation than in the past! Then, you didn't live in the real world. Again, take a damn good look at the charts provided on a previous post that shows you the rate of increases before the ACA.

I dealt with health insurance companies, when I was in the real world. We went from having the best plan that BCBS had to either a PPO, or an HMO. The rates increased 19.3%, 12.5%, and 17.9% over a three year period. Over a 15 year period, they never increased less than 7%. Take a look at the first post in the thread, he gives the impression that insurance companies raising their rates is something new.

How many people that don't have insurance are in Republican controlled states that did everything they could to make sure the ACA failed? Many people in these Southern states the uninsured would qualify for Medicaid under the ACA. Most of the cost for these people would be picked up by the federal government. That didn't stop these states from crying poor mouth. Did it? When your hatred for Obama trumps the welfare of your citizens, you really have something wrong with you.

Nobody needs health insurance until something happens to them, and then they do. Need! What is your definition of the word "insurance".

How many people lost their health insurance, because their former plans were just plain garbage? Most of these people got better plans at a cheaper rate.

The ACA isn't perfect, but it the problems won't be corrected. As soon as there is an attempt to correct the problems "repel and replace", there will be no replacement. Anybody with a brain in their head knows this no matter how many times Republicans parrot the phrase "repeal and replace". So, we have to live with a flawed law.

Reality! You want to know reality? Well, here it is. The Supreme Court has ruled that the ACA is constitutional, but you are stating that the ACA is unconstitutional, because the Supreme Court doesn't know what it is talking about. We should listen to you! Why

Originally Posted by Guest

That is right. When numbers don't support your argument ignore the numbers. You think that insurance companies weren't raising their rates at a much higher number than inflation than in the past! Then, you didn't live in the real world. Again, take a damn good look at the charts provided on a previous post that shows you the rate of increases before the ACA.

I dealt with health insurance companies, when I was in the real world. We went from having the best plan that BCBS had to either a PPO, or an HMO. The rates increased 19.3%, 12.5%, and 17.9% over a three year period. Over a 15 year period, they never increased less than 7%. Take a look at the first post in the thread, he gives the impression that insurance companies raising their rates is something new.

How many people that don't have insurance are in Republican controlled states that did everything they could to make sure the ACA failed? Many people in these Southern states the uninsured would qualify for Medicaid under the ACA. Most of the cost for these people would be picked up by the federal government. That didn't stop these states from crying poor mouth. Did it? When your hatred for Obama trumps the welfare of your citizens, you really have something wrong with you.

Nobody needs health insurance until something happens to them, and then they do. Need! What is your definition of the word "insurance".

How many people lost their health insurance, because their former plans were just plain garbage? Most of these people got better plans at a cheaper rate.

The ACA isn't perfect, but it the problems won't be corrected. As soon as there is an attempt to correct the problems "repel and replace", there will be no replacement. Anybody with a brain in their head knows this no matter how many times Republicans parrot the phrase "repeal and replace". So, we have to live with a flawed law.

Reality! You want to know reality? Well, here it is. The Supreme Court has ruled that the ACA is constitutional, but you are stating that the ACA is unconstitutional, because the Supreme Court doesn't know what it is talking about. We should listen to you! Why

Excellent post! It was so hilarious that Crapweasel's pick for Chief Justice was the deciding vote on the constitutionality of the mandated ACA and now it is the LAW!

No Republican has come up with a full fledged replacement idea.

Originally Posted by Guest

Excellent post! It was so hilarious that Crapweasel's pick for Chief Justice was the deciding vote on the constitutionality of the mandated ACA and now it is the LAW!

No Republican has come up with a full fledged replacement idea.

BS!

You mean no republican came up with anything the dems in charge wanted to hear.

There is no doubt the better option was to do nothing. With all it's warts and ills, the existing system worked.

As for the adding of what ever category the dems wanted to convert to votes, blacks, illegal aliens, pre-existing conditions, kids under 24, etc......the dems could have easily come up with a program to accomplish their goal....what ever that happened to be.

To attempt to completely change an item of the financial impact on the economy that the entire hair brained ACA scheme attempted to embrace was nothing more than a notch on Obamas twig of fame.

When he told Pelosi he did not care about the details of the plan just get something passed. And then when Pelosi said let's approve this bill then we can read it and see what is in it.

The warning signs were all over the place but between the Obama ram it and jam it team and the democratic amplifier called the media the usual do not we the people had one pulled over their eyes in plain sight.

Originally Posted by Guest

Excellent post! It was so hilarious that Crapweasel's pick for Chief Justice was the deciding vote on the constitutionality of the mandated ACA and now it is the LAW!

No Republican has come up with a full fledged replacement idea.

Nice try, but your ignorance doesn't make it fact. Republicans did come up with a cheaper and more viable alternative to improve health care. I read a lot of documentation when there were arguing Obummercare. One such alternative was put out by Sen Burr. I read it. It was posted on his website. I also read ALL of ObummerCare before it was passed. It was edited so many times, it was hard to keep up with it. Unlike congress, I read it before it was passed, and I say how bad it was going to be. I am glad that thanks to Palin, they took out the part about the appointed board that would decide whether or not you would get the treatment you need. And yes, it was in there. If my other hard drive hadn't crashed, I could give you a copy of the old version before it was edited. At any rate, there was alternative health care bills, that NEVER got voted on because Pelosi and Reid wouldn't allow it. So, now that you have been corrected I hope you will do something to contribute on this forum more than just parrot other liberals. Learn some facts instead of hearsay. By the way, Obummer promised to lower the cost of health care, and the fact is that it went up substantially. He knew it was. He wants it to fail so that liberals can get their gov controlled socialized health care.

The US Supreme Court DID NOT APPROVE THE " ACA ". They ruled that the Federal Government has the right to impose a Tax and that your ACA Premiums are a " TAX " .

Originally Posted by Guest

The US Supreme Court DID NOT APPROVE THE " ACA ". They ruled that the Federal Government has the right to impose a Tax and that your ACA Premiums are a " TAX " .

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Originally Posted by Guest

Nice try, but your ignorance doesn't make it fact. Republicans did come up with a cheaper and more viable alternative to improve health care. I read a lot of documentation when there were arguing Obummercare. One such alternative was put out by Sen Burr. I read it. It was posted on his website. I also read ALL of ObummerCare before it was passed. It was edited so many times, it was hard to keep up with it. Unlike congress, I read it before it was passed, and I say how bad it was going to be. I am glad that thanks to Palin, they took out the part about the appointed board that would decide whether or not you would get the treatment you need. And yes, it was in there. If my other hard drive hadn't crashed, I could give you a copy of the old version before it was edited. At any rate, there was alternative health care bills, that NEVER got voted on because Pelosi and Reid wouldn't allow it. So, now that you have been corrected I hope you will do something to contribute on this forum more than just parrot other liberals. Learn some facts instead of hearsay. By the way, Obummer promised to lower the cost of health care, and the fact is that it went up substantially. He knew it was. He wants it to fail so that liberals can get their gov controlled socialized health care.

"If my other hard drive hadn't crashed..." Yeah, did the dog eat your homework, too?

Originally Posted by Guest

I, for one, am NOT crying for the Insurance Companies....that stopped when they denied coverage for a newborn baby saying it was a PRE-EXISTING condition.

Baby Denied Medical Coverage While in Womb: 'Good Morning America' Gets Answers from Health Insurance - ABC News

They have been making out like bandits for years bleeding us dry. I spent $800.00 a month as a retiree for healthcare until I got on Medicare.

https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015...ness-customers

What the government did for housing they did for insurance, eliminate underwriting rules and eliminated pre-existing conditions. In both situations people were covered who never should have been qualified. The left keeps equating profits as being dirty. There upside down economic model continues to deter the economic recovery which was rebounding in 2009.

corporations are flush with cash but use it to buy back their stock vis a vis investing. Frankly given Obama's economic miscalculations business are laying off people and will just hold because of the over regulation by Obama's policies and the uncertainty in todays'market.

the FED is working in concert with Obama and its policies benefit rich investors ( fat cats) (1%) (strawmen) Hillary, Bernie and Obama blame for the worlds problem.

Meantime rich people get to use cheap money belonging to the ( 99%)
So because of QE and because of no interest txapayers are caught and small investors (retirees) are more than likely paying the bank to hold their savings.

Socialism Obama style is what the progressive party stands for. They want a single payer plan for insurance because as human being whey believe they entitled to free health care. but noting is free. and they forget that binary equation of where there is a right there are responsibilities. they don't practice that last part of the equation. Free is broadly defined for them. they will spend the country broke for free stuff

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Originally Posted by Guest

The US Supreme Court DID NOT APPROVE THE " ACA ". They ruled that the Federal Government has the right to impose a Tax and that your ACA Premiums are a " TAX " .

ACA premiums are a TAX. Where did come up with this? People that do not pickup health insurance will pay a penalty. This penalty is a tax. Premiums aren't being taxed.

This wasn't the only challenge to the ACA that made its way to the Supreme Court.
Supreme Court upholds ACA, defies partisanship: Column

Read Chief Justice Roberts comment in the article, "do not expect the Supreme Court do make the ACA unconstitutional." Congress is going to have to repeal it. The ACA is the law of the land.