Originally Posted by SteveZ

Every politician finds him/herself tied to those whom they have close or long-term business or personal associations. That's just the nature of it all, and no different than the Obama-endorsed ads regarding McCain's advisor's as "lobbyists." People are linked to those whom they associate.

The issue is further expanded by the acceptance by aspiring State Senator Obama of a $200 campaign contribution from his colleague, William Ayers. Whether that acceptance was a "lack of judgment" or "thanks, my friend" act, depends on one's viewpoint. When campaign contributions became public records, politicians began to scrutinize very tightly where the funds came from, and returned contributions from those whose interests or backgrounds could be damaging downstream through inferred linkage to actions, positions, intent or policy.

That's why there is so much attention to Sen. Obama and his Freddie Mac / Fannie Mae connections - over $125K in campaign contributions from the institutions and his reliance on former Fannie Mae CEO James Johnson to vet potential vice presidential prospects.

Both campaigns are spending a great amount of effort to "educate' the public on the associates of the rival candidate to demonstrate the other guy is no angel. It cuts both ways, and ignoring one while hyping the other is just tunnel vision.

I am glad to say the recent news regarding McCain champaign managers firm has been taking $15,000 a month as a consultant to Freddie Mac. But John McCain said he had severed all ties in 2005. Ooops......

I think a remember something about people in glass houses.

Originally Posted by oshunluva

Maybe you should find the info that you seem to think will dispute the video and post it. That might keep you busy for awhile because there is none. Obama stands for socialism at it's best, he and George Bush should have had the chance to run together.

I am not the one that posted a totally false video and claimed it to be proven true.

You seem to be always watchful of socialism....So what do think of the White House lead bailout of Wall Street.

This is bigger than FDR.....who the Repubs have always branded socialist.

Originally Posted by oshunluva

Maybe you should find the info that you seem to think will dispute the video and post it. That might keep you busy for awhile because there is none. Obama stands for socialism at it's best, he and George Bush should have had the chance to run together.

Here you go...took less than 2 minutes.....

http://mediamatters.org/items/200809220011?f=h_clips

Originally Posted by The Great Fumar

Chicago is full of wonderful people , unfortunately they are eating soup !!!

How do you explain that all of the oversight committee's in congress are chaired by democrats ....And what about Barney Frank who chairs the Banking Oversight committee , Where was he in all this , Hopefully he will be thrown behind bars.....Dems have a lot of explaining to do before they are allowed to pad their bank accounts........

I'm from MA, home of Barney Frank (isn't he the big purple Dem ideology puppet) and I whole heartedly agree with the Great Fumars message

Originally Posted by cologal

I am glad to say the recent news regarding McCain champaign managers firm has been taking $15,000 a month as a consultant to Freddie Mac. But John McCain said he had severed all ties in 2005. Ooops......

I think a remember something about people in glass houses.

He did sever all ties....HIS COMPANY was being paid not him. May make not difference to you but just to keep it straight !

Stevez You and I think alike. Thanks for being more eloquent than I.

Originally Posted by cologal

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I think a remember something about people in glass houses.

And they all need to watch out for chards falling from all directions. Each is trying to make the other look like the proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing. All that has happened is that issues, capabilities, experience and probable performance is left in the dust. Both are guilty there.

So, in the end we are still left with two lawyers whose only work experience is as career senators at the state/fed level or college faculty member- versus - a retired naval officer who is also a career senator and a small business owner who has been a mayor and governor. So, do we go with the lawyers or the non-lawyers? Which combo gives the least angst?

Originally Posted by gnu

I'm from MA, home of Barney Frank (isn't he the big purple Dem ideology puppet) and I whole heartedly agree with the Great Fumars message

So what did he do? Or didn't do? He took over the Banking Committee after the sub prime mortgage problem started. So I fail to understand why he should be put in jail. What crime(s) did he commit?

Pershaps we should look at Paulson....Goldman Sachs was selling these derivitives, know they were bad, and the short selling on them knowing they would fail. Sounds kind of shady to me.

The humor in all of this finger pointing is that the complexity of our political system of checks and balances is such that you can always spin a story to justify blame in a current crisis. Look at 9-11.

Originally Posted by cologal

So what did he do? Or didn't do? He took over the Banking Committee after the sub prime mortgage problem started. So I fail to understand why he should be put in jail. What crime(s) did he commit?

Pershaps we should look at Paulson....Goldman Sachs was selling these derivitives, know they were bad, and the short selling on them knowing they would fail. Sounds kind of shady to me.

Quite possibly he didn't do anything on the Banking Committee (that's obvious) that would put him in jail, but having his partner running a prostitution out of his home should have. Another Pol in Washington gets off the hook for a sex scandal.

Originally Posted by gnu

Quite possibly he didn't do anything on the Banking Committee (that's obvious) that would put him in jail, but having his partner running a prostitution out of his home should have. Another Pol in Washington gets off the hook for a sex scandal.

Oh Boy is that old, old, old news.... So I quess you think only Dems have sex scandals.....lest you forget.

Senator Wide Stance....

Congressman Mark Foley
Congressman Dan Crane

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.....

Again Rep Frank took over the Banking Committee after the House Crisis had started. Get a Grip....there is enough blame to go around.

Originally Posted by samhass

I think the bulk of our "congresspeople" are a bunch of ladies of the evening.

Well put, samhass!

Geez ah er oh yeah I'll be 167 years old when McCain pulls us out of Iraq where his President put us instead of Afghanistan where we should have been. McCain Palin give me a break.

cologal
You asked why he should be in jail, I answered. Try not to be so vile in your political opinions.

Originally Posted by gnu

cologal
You asked why he should be in jail, I answered. Try not to be so vile in your political opinions.

Excuse me.....here is what you posted.

Quite possibly he didn't do anything on the Banking Committee (that's obvious) that would put him in jail, but having his partner running a prostitution out of his home should have. Another Pol in Washington gets off the hook for a sex scandal.

I only pointed out 3 gay sex scandals the Republicans have had. My post was no more vile than yours. I didn't even say what kind of sex scandal it was I only named names. It seems the only sex scandal Repubs can remember is Clinton. Rep Frank made a poor choice for a partner....he wasn't involved.

You brought up the sex part not me.