Originally Posted by Guest

Absolutely correct. Anyone who believes that the accounts in the Old Testament are "scientifically and mathematical correct" is a nitwit. The Earth is many millions of years older than the approximately 6,000 years measured in the timeline of the Old Testament. Look at the scientific proof of the age of the Earth!

Prove it. Prove that the Bible is NOT scientifically and mathematically correct. I'm waiting. And please show me a scripture where it says the earth is 6K years old. What the Bible says and how someone interprets it may be different.

I believe in creation, for two reasons. The Bible says so and no one has proven otherwise.

Originally Posted by Guest

Most intelligent people know that the creationist theory is pure nonsense. And its a waste of time to try to talk logically to these nitwits who believe it, they seem unwilling or unable to understand logic of any kind. The way Carson is dropping in the polls, however, its probably a foregone conclusion that Trump will be the nominee. I certainly hope so. That will certainly guarantee a Democrat in the white house.

Pretty funny. You can't prove evolution, let alone disprove creation as told in the Bible. That's pretty funny. It has nothing to do with logic, unless you consider that scientists have been knocking themselves out trying to disprove the Bible and trying to prove evolution. Problem is that there is no proof of evolution,which by the way is a "theory", not fact.

Gotta love the way you start your comment by saying "Most intelligent people" blah, blah.... You do know that the fact is that MOST Intelligent people believe in GOD and therefore creation. Look at the stats. So, where does that leave you in the equation?

Originally Posted by Guest

You can believe the theory of evolution and still read the Bible if you understand that many of the stories had divine inspiration.

Yes, and you can believe in Creation and read the theory of evolution in Darwin's book. But, you can't be a Christian and believe in evolution because then you would have to believe that Jesus Christ was a liar. Just saying.

This wasn't supposed to be a thread on religion. It was supposed to be on Carson. So liberals, it was very good strategy to divert the subject matter.

Originally Posted by Guest

Pretty funny. You can't prove evolution, let alone disprove creation as told in the Bible. That's pretty funny. It has nothing to do with logic, unless you consider that scientists have been knocking themselves out trying to disprove the Bible and trying to prove evolution. Problem is that there is no proof of evolution,which by the way is a "theory", not fact.

Gotta love the way you start your comment by saying "Most intelligent people" blah, blah.... You do know that the fact is that MOST Intelligent people believe in GOD and therefore creation. Look at the stats. So, where does that leave you in the equation?

Maybe he is the "nitwit" he referred to everyone else ?

Originally Posted by Guest

Pretty funny. ....

Gotta love the way you start your comment by saying "Most intelligent people" blah, blah.... You do know that the fact is that MOST Intelligent people believe in GOD and therefore creation. Look at the stats. So, where does that leave you in the equation?

Pretty funny. The problem is, studies have shown that there is a direct correlation between higher intelligence and lack of religiosity. The more intelligent a person is, the less likely they are to believe in God. This was based on studies conducted from 1928-2012. [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2390774/Those-higher-intelligence-likely-believe-God-claims-new-review-63-scientific-studies-stretching-decades.html[/URL]

Originally Posted by Guest

Pretty funny. The problem is, studies have shown that there is a direct correlation between higher intelligence and lack of religiosity. The more intelligent a person is, the less likely they are to believe in God. This was based on studies conducted from 1928-2012. [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2390774/Those-higher-intelligence-likely-believe-God-claims-new-review-63-scientific-studies-stretching-decades.html[/URL]

That's too bad. Too smart to believe in one's creator. Wonder how that will work out for you when you meet HIM. Kind of like thinking that you are such a good driver that you don't purchase accident insurance.

People that I know personally, that are atheist, seem to be more giving and loving. Those with strong belief in God seem more selfish and hateful toward their fellow man. Believers tend to be aligned with the Old Testament where atheists seem to follow a lifestyle closer to the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament. In my opinion, Muslims follow the Old Testament much better than Christians follow the New Testament.

Originally Posted by Guest

People that I know personally, that are atheist, seem to be more giving and loving. Those with strong belief in God seem more selfish and hateful toward their fellow man. Believers tend to be aligned with the Old Testament where atheists seem to follow a lifestyle closer to the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament. In my opinion, Muslims follow the Old Testament much better than Christians follow the New Testament.

That's a confusing statement. I've never heard of an atheist that believed in the Old Testament of the Bible. It's not part of the definition of atheist. Perhaps you are confused. And to compare Muslims with Christians following the New Testament is a twist.

Regarding the nature and character of an atheist being a better person than a Christian, I am happy for you. I've never said that a person is evil because they did not believe as I do. I've never heard of anyone claiming that atheists were bad people. But, being a good person doesn't save you.

But the thread is about Carson and his ability to lead our nation. Even though I do not believe he is ready for the job (neither is Obama) I do not disqualify him from my vote due to his religious faith. As a matter of fact, I consider it to be a positive attribute. Of course, if he had a history of being raised in a Muslim environment or attended a hate spewing church, then I would consider that to be a definite liability. I do believe that Carson is a better person to represent us than Obama, Hilary or Sanders, just based on his ideology. But, it's not his religious faith that I use as a disqualifying factor.

If Carson was an atheist, I would probably consider that to be a negative, since I still believe that if one does not believe in a creator, how can one believe in America, or believe in freedom and liberty? But, that's just my opinion and my considerations when I vote. I don't vote for the first of anything, whether the first black man, first woman or first gay. If my candidate fits one of those criteria, then so be it. But, I don't consider being the first makes one the best, or even good for the position in itself.

So, debate your belief/non-belief if you wish, and I will debate the merits of the candidate.

Originally Posted by Guest

That's a confusing statement. I've never heard of an atheist that believed in the Old Testament of the Bible. THE PERSON YOU QUOTED DID NO SAY THAT. It's not part of the definition of atheist. Perhaps you are confused. And to compare Muslims with Christians following the New Testament is a twist. the person you quoted did not say that

Regarding the nature and character of an atheist being a better person than a Christian, I am happy for you. THE PERSON YOU QUOTED DID NOT SAY THAT. I've never said that a person is evil because they did not believe as I do. I've never heard of anyone claiming that atheists were bad people. But, being a good person doesn't save you.

But the thread is about Carson and his ability to lead our nation. Even though I do not believe he is ready for the job (neither is Obama) I do not disqualify him from my vote due to his religious faith. As a matter of fact, I consider it to be a positive attribute. Of course, if he had a history of being raised in a Muslim environment or attended a hate spewing church, then I would consider that to be a definite liability. I do believe that Carson is a better person to represent us than Obama, Hilary or Sanders, just based on his ideology. But, it's not his religious faith that I use as a disqualifying factor.

If Carson was an atheist, I would probably consider that to be a negative, since I still believe that if one does not believe in a creator, how can one believe in America, or believe in freedom and liberty? But, that's just my opinion and my considerations when I vote. I don't vote for the first of anything, whether the first black man, first woman or first gay. If my candidate fits one of those criteria, then so be it. But, I don't consider being the first makes one the best, or even good for the position in itself.

So, debate your belief/non-belief if you wish, and I will debate the merits of the candidate.

Originally Posted by Guest

That's a confusing statement. I've never heard of an atheist that believed in the Old Testament of the Bible. It's not part of the definition of atheist. Perhaps you are confused. And to compare Muslims with Christians following the New Testament is a twist.

Regarding the nature and character of an atheist being a better person than a Christian, I am happy for you. I've never said that a person is evil because they did not believe as I do. I've never heard of anyone claiming that atheists were bad people. But, being a good person doesn't save you.

But the thread is about Carson and his ability to lead our nation. Even though I do not believe he is ready for the job (neither is Obama) I do not disqualify him from my vote due to his religious faith. As a matter of fact, I consider it to be a positive attribute. Of course, if he had a history of being raised in a Muslim environment or attended a hate spewing church, then I would consider that to be a definite liability. I do believe that Carson is a better person to represent us than Obama, Hilary or Sanders, just based on his ideology. But, it's not his religious faith that I use as a disqualifying factor.

If Carson was an atheist, I would probably consider that to be a negative, since I still believe that if one does not believe in a creator, how can one believe in America, or believe in freedom and liberty? But, that's just my opinion and my considerations when I vote. I don't vote for the first of anything, whether the first black man, first woman or first gay. If my candidate fits one of those criteria, then so be it. But, I don't consider being the first makes one the best, or even good for the position in itself.

So, debate your belief/non-belief if you wish, and I will debate the merits of the candidate.

You are confused as your rebut to every statement by the person you quoted issues not make any sense at all. Have coffee and try again.

Originally Posted by Guest

You are confused as your rebut to every statement by the person you quoted issues not make any sense at all. Have coffee and try again.

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Originally Posted by Guest

People that I know personally, that are atheist, seem to be more giving and loving. Those with strong belief in God seem more selfish and hateful toward their fellow man. Believers tend to be aligned with the Old Testament where atheists seem to follow a lifestyle closer to the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament. In my opinion, Muslims follow the Old Testament much better than Christians follow the New Testament.

You are entitled to your opinion. I can see how Obama got elected if there are more of the same that think as you do. But, I guess I digress.

Did anyone ever say anything about atheist being BAD people? I'm glad that you met some good atheists. That's nice. I have met some good and bad people that claim to be Christians. Obama claims to be a Christian, even though he doesn't know what a Christian is. His definition as stated in a comment he made, is not the definition of a Christian. So, perhaps you have met some that claim to be something they are not. As far as Muslims following the Old Testament better than Christians following the New Testament, I agree. I have too. But, you do generalize.

Have we ever had a president that did not say he believed in God? So why is this an issue for anyone with Dr.Carson? I think that you are using it to cover up your bigoted racism.

Originally Posted by Guest

Have we ever had a president that did not say he believed in God? So why is this an issue for anyone with Dr.Carson? I think that you are using it to cover up your bigoted racism.

I do not think anyone has a problem with Carson believing in God. It is admirable.

However to believe the pyramids of Egypt were grain silos, the Earth is 6,000 years old, and not to believe in evolution is outrageous for a medical doctor.

Really, it is a moot point now. His poll numbers have fallen so steeply there is no chance that he would get the nomination much less the presidency.

Originally Posted by Guest

I do not think anyone has a problem with Carson believing in God. It is admirable.

However to believe the pyramids of Egypt were grain silos, the Earth is 6,000 years old, and not to believe in evolution is outrageous for a medical doctor.

Really, it is a moot point now. His poll numbers have fallen so steeply there is no chance that he would get the nomination much less the presidency.