Originally Posted by Booger Jr.

The ability to demonstrate that one can read, write and speak English, is currently and has always been a requirement for citizenship in this country.All this administration is doing is saying that they intend to enforce the law as written. Why is that a problem?

If people don't like the law, then they should lobby to change it, but as long as it exists, it is the duty of the federal government to enforce federal laws.

I think that pretty much everyone, including many on the left are getting tired of the cries of "racism" every time anyone mentions pretty much every thing these days.

If you aren't smart enough to understand the subject...you really should keep your mouth shut.

This proposal has NOTHING to do with the requirements of changing the requirements to become a citizen, it is ONLY changes the requirements to get a green card to enter the country.

How many early immigrants, do you think already knew English when they first came here...versus learning it as a goal of becoming a naturalized citizen?

Originally Posted by Guest

If you aren't smart enough to understand the subject...you really should keep your mouth shut.

This proposal has NOTHING to do with the requirements of changing the requirements to become a citizen, it is ONLY changes the requirements to get a green card to enter the country.

How many early immigrants, do you think already knew English when they first came here...versus learning it as a goal of becoming a naturalized citizen?

With that said, what is the problem with this change? Personally, I cannot imagine immigrating to another country without first knowing the language, maybe not fluently but at least enough for basic communication purposes. Seems to me that if you haven't even attempted to learn that, it doesn't show much initiative and certainly not much of a desire to be a part of the culture.

Originally Posted by Guest

With that said, what is the problem with this change? Personally, I cannot imagine immigrating to another country without first knowing the language, maybe not fluently but at least enough for basic communication purposes. Seems to me that if you haven't even attempted to learn that, it doesn't show much initiative and certainly not much of a desire to be a part of the culture.

Do you honestly think all past immigrants came here knowing English? If you were brought up in Amsterdam, or Paris, China, or Rome in the 1800's, it is very unlikely you emigrated to the U.S. knowing English. English is becoming more prevalent in large cities that cater to tourists, but for many immigrants from small villages where there is no English spoken, they will learn English once they get here. As far as their initiative, I would think that giving up your country, your culture, your friends and family to move to a new country in hopes of a better life shows tremendous initiative.

Trump pushes to sharply cut the number of legal immigrants and move U.S. to a 'merit-based' immigration system - LA Times

Just wanted to get a link in for this.

Originally Posted by Guest

You can add my wife to that number as well.

Isn't this why we are called the great melting pot? All of these various cultures come here and become a mixture of them all, not a hundred different cultures. Not a thousand different languages.

Now that's not to say that people can't be proud of and celebrate their heritage. There's nothing wrong with Italian American festivals or African American celebrations. Demonstrating all of the various cultures that are what the U.S. is made of is interesting and informative and allows people to hang on to a bit of their past, But we should never forget that we are a people that are bonded by common ideals, a common culture that is a blend of many cultures melted and mixed together with common goals and a common language.

People that come here and insist on keeping 100% of their culture and language are not interested in becoming Americans. We need to unite as a people not emphasize what divides us.

We were a WHITE European "melting pot"...colored people didn't start immigrating in numbers until the 1960s...replacing the whites from Europe.

No we're not...we're just a bunch of squabbling minorities each out for themselves. Even white people aren't a majority any more...we're 49%. SPANISH is being spoken more and more as the Hispanics who have NO desire to be "American" become the majority.

No...they're not...they just want the "free" stuff that white people made and paid for.

Originally Posted by Guest

Trumps Law, which hopefully will never see the light of day, is talking about immigrants, not people applying for citizenship. Obviously by the time you apply for citizenship you have to have knowledge of the language etc.

i'm thinking back to earlier times when we had immigrants from Germany, from Italy, and other countries where people did not speak English or, maybe just a little bit. They got here, they went to Italian communities in New York City for example or German communities in Pennsylvania or whatever, got jobs and eventually applied for citizenship. Their children grew up learning two languages, Italian or German in the home, and English in the schools of course. The second generation is always a generation that is more Americanized. And that is something our country has always celebrated. That's why we have the Italian festivals and Oktoberfest, and that sort of thing. We celebrate our shared heritage from many countries across the globe.

As others have said, if an immigrant come here not knowing English, which many of them do not, and they reach the stage where they want to apply for citizenship, they will have to have that skill. It is a requirement.

We have festivals because people make money from them...let's be real.

Originally Posted by Guest

If you aren't smart enough to understand the subject...you really should keep your mouth shut.

This proposal has NOTHING to do with the requirements of changing the requirements to become a citizen, it is ONLY changes the requirements to get a green card to enter the country.

How many early immigrants, do you think already knew English when they first came here...versus learning it as a goal of becoming a naturalized citizen?

And you don't think someone coming here to WORK...should be required to speak the language? HOW is THAT helping with "melting into society"?

Quite a few considering SPANISH is written on EVERY product sold in this country...it's the "unofficial" second language...it will soon be the "unofficial" primary language as the Hispanics become the MAJORITY within 30 years.

You're a FOOL to encourage these people to come here. We ARE filling up with 3rd worlders and becoming more 3rd world as a result. They WILL be the majority soon and in political control because of their numbers. We are changing like South Africa changed. S Africa was once under white control...an African jewel...it is now a dirty, nasty, corrupt black controlled country...a murder capital. Whites are being murdered and their homes and land taken from them as the blacks multiply.

Originally Posted by Guest

With that said, what is the problem with this change? Personally, I cannot imagine immigrating to another country without first knowing the language, maybe not fluently but at least enough for basic communication purposes. Seems to me that if you haven't even attempted to learn that, it doesn't show much initiative and certainly not much of a desire to be a part of the culture.

WHAT GOOD is someone being here to work, when they don't know the language? What kind of job are they going to get? Do we NEED more minimum wage workers? What about the 100 million on welfare? Put THEM to work.

America already has TOO MANY unproductive colored people.

Originally Posted by Guest

They also use OUR calendar...our time system, our aircraft, our computers, our radios, our GPS, our satellites, our TVs...etc...etc.

White Europeans created western civilization and the technology that built the world as it is today. so yes...they should speak our language too.

And show a little respect for white people instead of blaming everything on us. Where is that picture of the two Negros? One living among the "oppressive" white people and the other still living as they were found in Africa.

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Originally Posted by Guest

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What do you see in that picture?

You see a stone age "cavewoman" without the wheel, written language, no draft animals, no technology, living in a grass and mud hut, scratching for roots and grubs. THAT is how we found black people.

You also see what happens when you send them to a civilized country. They WASTE their money on "bling". Just like the "cavewoman"...she doesn't have sh!t to live in, nothing to eat...but she's got JEWELRY! Looks and status is EVERYTHING to them...because it's ALL they've got. They can't go up against whites in anything but a few sports...sports where being big and aggressive makes the winner.

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Originally Posted by Guest

Do you honestly think all past immigrants came here knowing English? If you were brought up in Amsterdam, or Paris, China, or Rome in the 1800's, it is very unlikely you emigrated to the U.S. knowing English. English is becoming more prevalent in large cities that cater to tourists, but for many immigrants from small villages where there is no English spoken, they will learn English once they get here. As far as their initiative, I would think that giving up your country, your culture, your friends and family to move to a new country in hopes of a better life shows tremendous initiative.

Notice...you didn't mention Hispanics or Africans...why? Because they DIDN'T immigrate here in any numbers until the 1960s. This "darkening" of America is a VERY recent thing.

They also weren't 3rd world like MOST of our immigrants are now.

Chinese? Coolies? BROUGHT here to work? I wouldn't call them "immigrants", more like slaves. And speaking of Chinese "slaves", why did THEY end up succeeding in America and the blacks are STILL the very bottom and no better off than when they were slaves.

Originally Posted by Guest

Do you honestly think all past immigrants came here knowing English? If you were brought up in Amsterdam, or Paris, China, or Rome in the 1800's, it is very unlikely you emigrated to the U.S. knowing English. English is becoming more prevalent in large cities that cater to tourists, but for many immigrants from small villages where there is no English spoken, they will learn English once they get here. As far as their initiative, I would think that giving up your country, your culture, your friends and family to move to a new country in hopes of a better life shows tremendous initiative.

Of course not, but from what I've seen in my lifetime within my own family and friends, at least 1 or 2 who immigrated within the family spoke pretty fluent English. These were usually the breadwinners - they came here to be productive citizens and taught the rest of the family how to assimilate by example. These people of whom I speak came from 3 different countries, all from small villages. We are living in different times today - access to learning the language is not as difficult as you make it out to be. I would think a person with such initiative would make learning the language their first priority.