Originally Posted by Guest

I’d reduce the size of government, balance the budget, eliminate some of the departments that Cruz is proposing, get rid of the new policies, like Dodd-Frank, that are costing the consumers millions upon millions of dollars each year instead of helping. Make the needed changes to Social Security and Medicare in order to make them viable once again.
Government’s primary function is to protect its people not to pick winners and losers in the business world, of which they are a consummate failure. Government has gotten so bloated that it is no longer capable of being run efficiently. Efficacy is needed and there is none. Government needs to get back to what it was originally intended to do.

Power needs to be returned to the people. 535 people in Washington cannot compete with the genius of 315 million people.

I didn’t say it would be easy, I said it wasn’t complicated.

tq

And wages will go up and jobs will be created so there will be a middle class again. People will figure out for themselves how to educate themselves for the higher paying jobs that are created. Will the 1% will need give to up anything?

Originally Posted by Guest

And wages will go up and jobs will be created so there will be a middle class again. People will figure out for themselves how to educate themselves for the higher paying jobs that are created. Will the 1% will need give to up anything?

I agree completely.

If your last sentence meant, "will the 1% need to give up anything", the answer is no. EVERYBODY wins, the very top, the middle and the lowest. ANYBODY (stipulating that they are physically and emotionally able) who makes a sincere effort will win, but there will always be the top, the middle and the lowest. There will always be the "poor" because "poor" is relative. America's poor are rich compared to most of the rest of the world.

Those who refuse to work or better themselves will always be on the bottom. They may scream that it is unfair that there are the rich, but then (and I didn't make this up ) life itself is not fair, but it sure is worth it.

tq

The only thing that will fix this country is a real balanced budget. There has to be a direct correlation between what you spend and promise to what you have for revenue. Romney was correct but said it poorly. When 48% pay no federal income tax and a large percentage of 52% remaining get more from government than they pay in the system collapses, as is happening now. It doesn't matter if Bernie, Hillary, Cruz, or Trump is president outcome is going to be the same. We are bankrupt, have lost a great deal of our manufacturing, have spent our children's futures, and are now spending our grandchildren's futures. Arguing about Dems or Reps gives us the cover we need to not face our true selves. IMO

TOTAL BS.

You know nothing about economics,

In fact, you know absolutely nothing about anything!

Originally Posted by Guest

TOTAL BS.

You know nothing about economics,

In fact, you know absolutely nothing about anything!

Are you angry because you cannot logically discuss or counter what has been said here?

tq

Originally Posted by Guest

The only thing that will fix this country is a real balanced budget. There has to be a direct correlation between what you spend and promise to what you have for revenue. Romney was correct but said it poorly. When 48% pay no federal income tax and a large percentage of 52% remaining get more from government than they pay in the system collapses, as is happening now. It doesn't matter if Bernie, Hillary, Cruz, or Trump is president outcome is going to be the same. We are bankrupt, have lost a great deal of our manufacturing, have spent our children's futures, and are now spending our grandchildren's futures. Arguing about Dems or Reps gives us the cover we need to not face our true selves. IMO

You may be right. I'm a Cruz fan because I think that at least he will try to do what is right. Not sure he will get much cooperation from either party because certainly the left as well as a goodly number on the right are part of the establishment that has put us here.

Our nation may be too far gone to be able to be saved but I think it's worth another good shot at it.

tq

Originally Posted by Guest

This year’s election is shaping up to be a contest between free stuff and anger. The over reaction to neither one will solve our nation’s problems.

A 3rd grade teacher relates a telling story: a boy and a girl are finalists to be their class president. The boy gives an excellent speech and receives a raucous ovation when he finishes. The girl stands up and says, simply “If you will vote for me I’ll give you ice cream” and sits down. When asked how she will pay for the ice cream she says she doesn’t know. But the class doesn’t care; they just want their ice cream. She wins in a landslide. Well that’s how Obama won in 2012 and that’s how Clinton, and Sanders, are running today but their supporters don’t care. They just want their ice cream.

Trump’s promises (when you look under the hood) appear to be inconsistent with reality but his supporters don’t care because they are (justifiably) angry and they too want their ice cream. And their ice cream is to dump the current establishment. While the GOP seems to be impotent against the Dem’s relentless pull to the left, upon closer inspection, it’s clear that they are simply part of the establishment and therefore they must also go. Trump promises that he is the antidote. On the surface his promise to “make us great again” has a nice sound to it, but as you dig down it simply rings hollow.

Neither our desire for ice cream nor our over reaction to anger will right our sinking ship. That sucking sound you hear is the inevitability of an implosion nearing critical mass. Do your research and then go vote.

tq

I can see where a simple person could think this. However, if a person wanted to think a little deeper they might learn that the word free is not used appropriately. Unfortunately, Sanders has done a miserable job explaining himself; Consequently, he'll never be elected.

Example; Medicare for all. It's not free health care it's simply paying for it a different way. Instead of my employer paying my health insurance company for my health care insurance (say $800) instead, my employer will pay me the money ($800) in my monthly check. I would then receive medicare and my taxes would go up to pay for it. (hopefully less than $800).

Now I'm not going to argue if any of this is real workable or not. I know I'll never change the minds of the Fox indoctrinated but at least I attempted to educate you with facts. Something I'm sure doesn't interest the majority of you. After all, who needs facts right? Especially when you have hate and greed on your side.

Originally Posted by Guest

I can see where a simple person could think this. However, if a person wanted to think a little deeper they might learn that the word free is not used appropriately. Unfortunately, Sanders has done a miserable job explaining himself; Consequently, he'll never be elected.

Example; Medicare for all. It's not free health care it's simply paying for it a different way. Instead of my employer paying my health insurance company for my health care insurance (say $800) instead, my employer will pay me the money ($800) in my monthly check. I would then receive medicare and my taxes would go up to pay for it. (hopefully less than $800).

Now I'm not going to argue if any of this is real workable or not. I know I'll never change the minds of the Fox indoctrinated but at least I attempted to educate you with facts. Something I'm sure doesn't interest the majority of you. After all, who needs facts right? Especially when you have hate and greed on your side.

Your taxes might go up under the plan you proposed, but who pays for the health care in the case of those 47% who pay no federal income tax? And, what do you propose employers do regarding the health care funding for part-time workers?

Originally Posted by Guest

I can see where a simple person could think this. However, if a person wanted to think a little deeper they might learn that the word free is not used appropriately. Unfortunately, Sanders has done a miserable job explaining himself; Consequently, he'll never be elected.

Example; Medicare for all. It's not free health care it's simply paying for it a different way. Instead of my employer paying my health insurance company for my health care insurance (say $800) instead, my employer will pay me the money ($800) in my monthly check. I would then receive medicare and my taxes would go up to pay for it. (hopefully less than $800).

Now I'm not going to argue if any of this is real workable or not. I know I'll never change the minds of the Fox indoctrinated but at least I attempted to educate you with facts. Something I'm sure doesn't interest the majority of you. After all, who needs facts right? Especially when you have hate and greed on your side.

You did not present facts, you only presented a proposal and an opinion.

Originally Posted by Guest

Your taxes might go up under the plan you proposed, but who pays for the health care in the case of those 47% who pay no federal income tax? And, what do you propose employers do regarding the health care funding for part-time workers?

As I said in my post I wasn't attempting to change anyone's mind, simply correct the notion that Bernie sold his idea of medicare for all was free. However, here is one question for you? What did we do for those who didn't have insurance before the affordable care act? Did they simply not get health care? Did they conveniently die in the street? You and I know the tax payers paid for it. As republicans like to say: We are a Christian nation. Well, isn't that the Christian thing to do. Please not the sarcasm in my last sentence.

Originally Posted by Guest

As I said in my post I wasn't attempting to change anyone's mind, simply correct the notion that Bernie sold his idea of medicare for all was free. However, here is one question for you? What did we do for those who didn't have insurance before the affordable care act? Did they simply not get health care? Did they conveniently die in the street? You and I know the tax payers paid for it. As republicans like to say: We are a Christian nation. Well, isn't that the Christian thing to do. Please not the sarcasm in my last sentence.

Universal health care or no universal health care, the taxpayer has and always will be paying for those with no coverage. The only thing that Bernie is promising is more government control over the current health care system through what will prove to be just another bloated and ineffectual government program - just like the current VA system. And, before you ask, yes I have used the VA health care system. As a partially disabled veteran it is free of charge to me, but other than routine lab work and an annual physical, I seek treatment outside of the VA system.

Go to your nearest Indian reservation and ask the residents how they feel about the government provided health care they receive. As a liberal, you may be surprised by their answer.

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Doesn't this sound like it would work? Isn't it reasonable that if a handful of people who have more money then they could spend and all their generations could spend that the rest could be used to help the rest of us? Not a hand out but jobs fixing the infrastructure.

I like Bernie because he is old, because he is only worth $520k, because he has a lifetime of being involved in causes. I don't think he is lining his pockets, or building his brand or gives a damn about his place in history. I think he is a grandfather who cares about their future has a shot at the title and instead of retiring like you and me he's going for it. God Bless him for trying.

Originally Posted by Guest

I can see where a simple person could think this. However, if a person wanted to think a little deeper they might learn that the word free is not used appropriately. Unfortunately, Sanders has done a miserable job explaining himself; Consequently, he'll never be elected.

Example; Medicare for all. It's not free health care it's simply paying for it a different way. Instead of my employer paying my health insurance company for my health care insurance (say $800) instead, my employer will pay me the money ($800) in my monthly check. I would then receive medicare and my taxes would go up to pay for it. (hopefully less than $800).

Now I'm not going to argue if any of this is real workable or not. I know I'll never change the minds of the Fox indoctrinated but at least I attempted to educate you with facts. Something I'm sure doesn't interest the majority of you. After all, who needs facts right? Especially when you have hate and greed on your side.

The post immediately below your post asked two critical questions. I'm looking forward to your answers.

You then stated that "you weren't going to argue if any of this is real workable or not". I'm suggesting that it is not: how can adding another income-eating layer to an already unmanageable bureaucracy help anybody?

You then commented: "After all, who needs facts right?" -- What you suggested was not facts. It is merely a supposition. Show me facts that make sense and you might find an ally in me.

BTW, the hate I have, and there is a modicum of that, is the hate that I have for the destruction of our country. As for greed -- without a company that makes a profit or a salaried person who desires to accumulate some wealth as a measure of his efforts, both of whom pay taxes, where would the rest of the country be? The government makes nothing. Instead it takes from the producers in the form of taxes. Without us where would the funds come from that run ALL of government?

Looking forward to hearing back from you.

Respectfully,

tq

Originally Posted by Guest

The post immediately below your post asked two critical questions. I'm looking forward to your answers.

You then stated that "you weren't going to argue if any of this is real workable or not". I'm suggesting that it is not: how can adding another income-eating layer to an already unmanageable bureaucracy help anybody?

You then commented: "After all, who needs facts right?" -- What you suggested was not facts. It is merely a supposition. Show me facts that make sense and you might find an ally in me.

Sorry, I assumed you would understand that the fact I was referring to was the fact that the Bernie Sanders proposal was not free and he tried, horribly, to explain how it was going to be paid for.

BTW, the hate I have, and there is a modicum of that, is the hate that I have for the destruction of our country. As for greed -- without a company that makes a profit or a salaried person who desires to accumulate some wealth as a measure of his efforts, both of whom pay taxes, where would the rest of the country be? The government makes nothing. Instead it takes from the producers in the form of taxes. Without us where would the funds come from that run ALL of government?

Looking forward to hearing back from you.

Respectfully,

tq

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Originally Posted by Guest

Your taxes might go up under the plan you proposed, but who pays for the health care in the case of those 47% who pay no federal income tax? And, what do you propose employers do regarding the health care funding for part-time workers?

Concerning the 47%. the devil is in the details. Retired citizens, like for example us make up 1/5 of the 47%. There are plenty of articles on the 47%. Here is one.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...190_story.html

You have a graduated income tax. You can have a single payer health insurance plan with the premiums based upon your income. Companies are offering insurance to their employees now. The only difference will be that the premiums will be going to a government agency. If you want an existing health insurance to administer the plan, you can. However, the government will determine markup these insurance will receive. Single payer is workable. However, it will never happen.

Concerning part time employees, their income is probably low; therefore, they can fall under Medicaid.

You don't want corporations to increase your wages to pay for health insurance. That is putting money in my right pocket so the government can take it out of my left pocket. Besides, payroll taxes will be increased for both the employer, and the worker. Just treat health insurance to the corporations as it is now a deductible expense.

The total cost of health insurance will probably go down, because the profit health insurance carriers will be reduced. How many health insurance carriers have gone out of business?