game is first and foremost for some.

The facts will eventually speak regardless the political/media play of the coming days.

How about a little creative thinking on what really happened without the partisan saw being played or is that too much of a challenge? Or not in the play book?

btk

Liberals had better start reading their own past ads and posts before they accuse Palin in this case.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pali...trict-in-2010/

Originally Posted by JimJoe

Amen

Ok it is always the radical left so I humbly now post this from our friends the Tea Party. People in glass houses should never throw stones.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_806462.html

Originally Posted by cologal

Ok it is always the radical left so I humbly now post this from our friends the Tea Party. People in glass houses should never throw stones.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_806462.html

I read your link and I do not get your point.
The Huffingtonpost does its usual great journalism by quoting an unidentified Republican senator who says nothing bad about the tea party.

My point is simply that a mentally ill person can take any word or statement whether it is inflammatory or not and twist it into some crusade. They frequently get ideas from the bible, or the constitution, or television.

Even when some person, whether politician or not, who says they support the tea party says something extreme that is no reflection on the tea party, democratic or republican parties, unless the party endorses it. I have never heard a tea party group endorse violence. They urge constitutional government and fiscal responsibility. I do not consider that to be extreme.
JJ

Jared Loughner is responsible for this terrible action !

I find it scary that someone would start a thread like this and that there would be discssion of any kind that this was the responsibility of anyone else but this sick man !

There has been political rhetoric for years....in NY city people handing out literature of Bush in a Nazi uniform and no violence. This man has a history...we must have disagreement...it is vital....certainly kept in reason but this was not the fault of any party, group, movement of any such thing and folks posting defenses of their group, or others making insinuations about other groups or parties is simply the wrong thing to do.

Jared Loughner is responsible for this act !!!!!!!!!

DEMOCRATS are absolute PROVEN hypocrites for all of their phoney outcry about Sarah Palin targeting Democrats.
Take a look at the map the Democrats put out in 2004!!
AND the DID use BULLSEYES!

What Hypocrites!!

The sound of apologies to Sarah Palin will be deafening!.. ya right

http://american-conservativevalues.c...s-eye-map.html

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2654012/posts

http://www.google.com/images?q=democ...w=1024&bih=475

During the 2008 presidential campaign, who said -

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”?

He, like Sarah Palin, was speaking metaphorically. Anyway, the best article that I have read on this appears in the City Journal. Andrew Klavan writes -

http://www.city-journal.org/2011/eon0109ak.html

Originally Posted by JimJoe

I read your link and I do not get your point.
The Huffingtonpost does its usual great journalism by quoting an unidentified Republican senator who says nothing bad about the tea party.

My point is simply that a mentally ill person can take any word or statement whether it is inflammatory or not and twist it into some crusade. They frequently get ideas from the bible, or the constitution, or television.

Even when some person, whether politician or not, who says they support the tea party says something extreme that is no reflection on the tea party, democratic or republican parties, unless the party endorses it. I have never heard a tea party group endorse violence. They urge constitutional government and fiscal responsibility. I do not consider that to be extreme.
JJ

JimJoe.....In this case I feel it is totally inappropriate to blame either side for this specific act. However, as we see on this site the blame game started from the beginning. Had you read the link you would have found this.....


Some Tea Partiers have acknowledged as much in the wake of the tragedy. "These heinous crimes have no place in America, and they are especially grievous when committed against our elected officials," said Tea Party Express Chairwoman Amy Kremer in a statement. "Spirited debate is desirable in our country, but it only should be the clash of ideas."

But others are fighting back. "The hard left is going to try and silence the Tea Party movement by blaming us for this," Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips wrote. "The left is coming and will hit us hard on this. We need to push back harder with the simple truth. The shooter was a liberal lunatic. Emphasis on both words."


I agree this guy could be a mental case but how did he become a liberal? Is it because of his reading list? But that is only part of the picture....he also attempted to enlist in the Army.

Originally Posted by cologal

JimJoe.....In this case I feel it is totally inappropriate to blame either side for this specific act. However, as we see on this site the blame game started from the beginning. Had you read the link you would have found this.....


Some Tea Partiers have acknowledged as much in the wake of the tragedy. "These heinous crimes have no place in America, and they are especially grievous when committed against our elected officials," said Tea Party Express Chairwoman Amy Kremer in a statement. "Spirited debate is desirable in our country, but it only should be the clash of ideas."

But others are fighting back. "The hard left is going to try and silence the Tea Party movement by blaming us for this," Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips wrote. "The left is coming and will hit us hard on this. We need to push back harder with the simple truth. The shooter was a liberal lunatic. Emphasis on both words."


I agree this guy could be a mental case but how did he become a liberal? Is it because of his reading list? But that is only part of the picture....he also attempted to enlist in the Army.

Because the people said he was a left pot smoking liberal own best reading list includes the Communist Manifesto.
Where is the proof Sarah Palin or the tea party did anything to influence him?
JJ

Originally Posted by JimJoe

Because the people said he was a left pot smoking liberal own best reading list includes the Communist Manifesto.
Where is the proof Sarah Palin or the tea party did anything to influence him?
JJ

Reading the Communist Manifesto doesn't make him a liberal, neither does smoking pot....

And please point out where I said anything about Sarah Palin in any of my posts........

You are clearly missing the point.

You are so mad about someone trying to pin the blame on Palin while the Tea Party is trying to pin the blame on the pot smoking left wing liberals.

How does this help?

Originally Posted by cologal

Reading the Communist Manifesto doesn't make him a liberal, neither does smoking pot....

And please point out where I said anything about Sarah Palin in any of my posts........

You are clearly missing the point.

You are so mad about someone trying to pin the blame on Palin while the Tea Party is trying to pin the blame on the pot smoking left wing liberals.

How does this help?

Apparently you do not believe the people who knew him either who describe him as a left winger.
AND the point is no one is to blame except the shooter.. period.
BUT I am offering a constructive way to try to prevent this type of crime in the future. Just like in suspected child abuse cases, we should require trained people such as medical, military, and educators to report to the sheriff anyone in need of mental health evaluation so they can be evaluated and treated. Blaming sarah palin or the tea party or right rhetoric will never solve the problem, and the left is just using this as a shameful reason to try to gain some political advantage. Shame on them.

Originally Posted by jimjoe

apparently you do not believe the people who knew him either who describe him as a left winger.
And the point is no one is to blame except the shooter.. Period.
But i am offering a constructive way to try to prevent this type of crime in the future. Just like in suspected child abuse cases, we should require trained people such as medical, military, and educators to report to the sheriff anyone in need of mental health evaluation so they can be evaluated and treated. Blaming sarah palin or the tea party or right rhetoric will never solve the problem, and the left is just using this as a shameful reason to try to gain some political advantage. Shame on them.

done!

All of this shouting about Palin, Beck, and Fox news.....hmmmmm

"this morning on “Good Morning America,” ABC’s Ashleigh Banfield sat down with Zach Osler, a high school friend of Jared Loughner, the suspect in the Tucson massacre.

Osler says his friend wasn’t shooting at people, “he was shooting at the world.” Regarding the high-pitched talk radio and cable news political rhetoric, Osler says his friend didn’t even watch the news.

He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right."

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/...he-news_b48040

These media folks and many politicians prove every single day that they have no clue what is going on !! They will use things like this to make political points and never discuss what matters and what should be discussed.

As many on here said...this was the work of a disturbed person..NOT a political statement, so all that Chris Mathews, Oberman hot air was wasted....right ? And the ARIZONA paper was right about the sheriff who played politics before all the victims were id'd !!

Originally Posted by cologal

Reading the Communist Manifesto doesn't make him a liberal, neither does smoking pot....

And please point out where I said anything about Sarah Palin in any of my posts........

You are clearly missing the point.

You are so mad about someone trying to pin the blame on Palin while the Tea Party is trying to pin the blame on the pot smoking left wing liberals.

How does this help?

Originally Posted by JimJoe

Apparently you do not believe the people who knew him either who describe him as a left winger.
AND the point is no one is to blame except the shooter.. period.
BUT I am offering a constructive way to try to prevent this type of crime in the future. Just like in suspected child abuse cases, we should require trained people such as medical, military, and educators to report to the sheriff anyone in need of mental health evaluation so they can be evaluated and treated. Blaming sarah Palin or the tea party or right rhetoric will never solve the problem, and the left is just using this as a shameful reason to try to gain some political advantage. Shame on them.

"He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He did’t listen to political radio. He did’t take sides. He wans’t on the left. He wans’t on the right."


Just a tortured mind.....

Originally Posted by Bucco

All of this shouting about Palin, Beck, and Fox news.....hmmmmm

"this morning on “Good Morning America,” ABC’s Ashleigh Banfield sat down with Zach Osler, a high school friend of Jared Loughner, the suspect in the Tucson massacre.

Osler says his friend wasn’t shooting at people, “he was shooting at the world.” Regarding the high-pitched talk radio and cable news political rhetoric, Osler says his friend didn’t even watch the news.

He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right."

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/...he-news_b48040

These media folks and many politicians prove every single day that they have no clue what is going on !! They will use things like this to make political points and never discuss what matters and what should be discussed.

As many on here said...this was the work of a disturbed person..NOT a political statement, so all that Chris Mathews, Oberman hot air was wasted....right ? And the ARIZONA paper was right about the sheriff who played politics before all the victims were id'd !!

Thank You!