Originally Posted by buggyone

Yesh, just what we need. More gun owners with the easiest to obtain CCW permits you can imagine.

Guns don't kill people - just the nuts handling the guns!

CCW permits are not that easy to obtain.....

Here is a link on gun violence against women:

Too Many Victims of Gun Violence Are Women : Ms. Magazine Blog

Information from the link....

In 2008, 7,451 women were treated in emergency rooms across America for gunshot wounds, 66 percent of which were assault-related. In 2007, 1,865 women were murdered with firearms. Firearms are more common in abusive homes, and batterers often threaten their victims with guns, sometimes implicitly, by cleaning, holding or loading guns during arguments.

Originally Posted by cologal

Here is a link on gun violence against women:

Too Many Victims of Gun Violence Are Women : Ms. Magazine Blog

Information from the link....

In 2008, 7,451 women were treated in emergency rooms across America for gunshot wounds, 66 percent of which were assault-related. In 2007, 1,865 women were murdered with firearms. Firearms are more common in abusive homes, and batterers often threaten their victims with guns, sometimes implicitly, by cleaning, holding or loading guns during arguments.

Myth: Guns are not a good deterrent to crime

Fact: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year or 6,849 every day. Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.
Fact: It seems to be slowing down property crime (especially burglaries).

Fact: Every day 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes are prevented just by showing a gun. In less than 0.9% of these instances is the gun ever actually fired.

Myth: Private ownership of guns is not effective in preventing crime

Fact: Every year, people in the United States use guns to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times – more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds. Of these instances, 15.6% of the people using firearms defensively stated that they "almost certainly" saved their lives by doing so.

Firearms are used 60 times more often to protect lives than to take lives.
Fact: The number of times per year an American uses a firearm to deter a home invasion alone is 498,000.
Fact: In 83.5% (2,087,500) of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first, proving that guns are very well suited for self-defense.

Fact: Of the 2,500,000 times citizens use guns to defend themselves, 92% merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers.
Fact: Less than 8% of the time does a citizen wound his or her attacker, and in less than one in a thousand instances is the attacker killed.
Fact: In one local review of firearm homicide, more than 12% were civilian legal defensive homicides.
Fact: For every accidental death (802), suicide (16,869) or homicide (11,348) with a
firearm (29,019), 13 lives (390,000) are preserved through defensive use.

Here is a link to back all this information up: Gun Facts - Gun Control | Facts | Debunk | Myths

Everyone really needs to get educated on firearm ownership. Should everyone own a firearm? Should everyone be allowed to drive? The answer to both of these question is NO. But one is a right and the other is a privilege. Nothing in the United States Constitution grants any of us the right to drive, but the second amendment grants all law abiding citizens the RIGHT to own firearms. You lose this right when you commit offenses against the established laws of the land and nation.

Gun control is nothing other than PEOPLE CONTROL. The government should fear us, the citizens, we the people should not fear our government.

Facts don't matter to the people who want to disarm law abiding citizenry. It's their feeling about it that counts for them.

All those who are against private gun ownership should put this sign on their homes or lawns so that we know they're serious.

On February 25th, George Zimmerman killed Trayton Martin. The circumstances surrounding the incident are sill unclear; however it is factual that George Zimmerman’s weapon was licensed and he had a permit to carry it.

Over St. Patrick’s Day weekend in Chicago, ten people were killed and an additional thirty-nine injured in shootings in Chicago. None of the people involved had licensed guns and certainly none of them had permits to carry guns. The circumstances surrounding these killings are clear – gang violence with intent to kill using unlicensed weapons.

At Least 10 People Killed, 39 Hurt in Weekend Shootings Around Chicago

In the case of Trayvon Martin, we see massive demonstrations, calls to eliminate the rights of law-abiding citizens to possess firearm, the involvement of the US Dept. of Justice and statements by the President. In the case of the multiple murders in Chicago there was none of this. The only thing that happened was that the First Lady went on the Letterman Show and said she wants to instill the values of south Chicago in her two children. Amazing.

Originally Posted by BBQMan

On February 25th, George Zimmerman killed Trayton Martin. The circumstances surrounding the incident are sill unclear; however it is factual that George Zimmerman’s weapon was licensed and he had a permit to carry it.

Over St. Patrick’s Day weekend in Chicago, ten people were killed and an additional thirty-nine injured in shootings in Chicago. None of the people involved had licensed guns and certainly none of them had permits to carry guns. The circumstances surrounding these killings are clear – gang violence with intent to kill using unlicensed weapons.

At Least 10 People Killed, 39 Hurt in Weekend Shootings Around Chicago

In the case of Trayvon Martin, we see massive demonstrations, calls to eliminate the rights of law-abiding citizens to possess firearm, the involvement of the US Dept. of Justice and statements by the President. In the case of the multiple murders in Chicago there was none of this. The only thing that happened was that the First Lady went on the Letterman Show and said she wants to instill the values of south Chicago in her two children. Amazing.

WOW! This post speaks volumes!

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

Myth: Guns are not a good deterrent to crime

Fact: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year or 6,849 every day. Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.
Fact: It seems to be slowing down property crime (especially burglaries).

Fact: Every day 550 rapes, 1,100 murders, and 5,200 other violent crimes are prevented just by showing a gun. In less than 0.9% of these instances is the gun ever actually fired.

Myth: Private ownership of guns is not effective in preventing crime

Fact: Every year, people in the United States use guns to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times – more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds. Of these instances, 15.6% of the people using firearms defensively stated that they "almost certainly" saved their lives by doing so.

Firearms are used 60 times more often to protect lives than to take lives.
Fact: The number of times per year an American uses a firearm to deter a home invasion alone is 498,000.
Fact: In 83.5% (2,087,500) of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first, proving that guns are very well suited for self-defense.

Fact: Of the 2,500,000 times citizens use guns to defend themselves, 92% merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers.
Fact: Less than 8% of the time does a citizen wound his or her attacker, and in less than one in a thousand instances is the attacker killed.
Fact: In one local review of firearm homicide, more than 12% were civilian legal defensive homicides.
Fact: For every accidental death (802), suicide (16,869) or homicide (11,348) with a
firearm (29,019), 13 lives (390,000) are preserved through defensive use.

Here is a link to back all this information up: Gun Facts - Gun Control | Facts | Debunk | Myths

Everyone really needs to get educated on firearm ownership. Should everyone own a firearm? Should everyone be allowed to drive? The answer to both of these question is NO. But one is a right and the other is a privilege. Nothing in the United States Constitution grants any of us the right to drive, but the second amendment grants all law abiding citizens the RIGHT to own firearms. You lose this right when you commit offenses against the established laws of the land and nation.

Gun control is nothing other than PEOPLE CONTROL. The government should fear us, the citizens, we the people should not fear our government.

The link is to a book for purchase..... I did notice a chapter about gun shows, we in Colorado know a little about those as the guns used in Columbine were purchased at a gun show.

Yes you have a right to arm yourself, never said you didn't. But facts are facts. Guns kill people legally purchased, licensed or not.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

WOW! This post speaks volumes!

Typical right wing tactic....

Originally Posted by cologal

Typical right wing tactic....

You're correct - typical right wing = deal with the facts and look for ways to improve. Typical left wing = ignore the facts, look for victimization where none exists, and, above all scream pout, conduct rallies and attack the innocent.

Originally Posted by cologal

The link is to a book for purchase..... I did notice a chapter about gun shows, we in Colorado know a little about those as the guns used in Columbine were purchased at a gun show.

Yes you have a right to arm yourself, never said you didn't. But facts are facts. Guns kill people legally purchased, licensed or not.

Clicked on the PFD file download from the supplied link and the book comes right up for you to read or print out.

Just to point out to you a fact, a gun has never killed anyone, people kill people, whatever they use, from hands to stones to rockets.

It's silly, but I can't help but to remember a line from an old "All in the Family" episode..

Mike: "Arch, did you know that (number) people were killed with guns last year?"

Archie: "Would it make you feel any better if they was stabbed?"

The point here is that I've long made the argument that it isn't the gun (especially legally owned) that is the problem since almost ANYTHING can be used as a weapon to kill.

I used to joke that "What will the come for next - knives?"

Now it's no joke:

BBC NEWS | Health | Doctors' kitchen knives ban call

In 2005 they medical teams were calling for banning KITCHEN KNIVES - and 'consulting' teams of "top chefs" to say that longer pointy knives have no good use in a kitchen?!?!?

Ugh...

it is unfortunate that some folks just have to restate the intention of a post like my gun vs eraser example which had NOTHING to do with the human(e) side of the issue... but to suit their personal agenda commentary it is restated to suit....wrong but that doesn't seem to matter.

And others will continue to dwell on the facts of the minority (not race THIS TIME!!) incidents. Yes they are important and compelling and emotional but DO NOT REPRESENT the character of gun owners. Responsible gun ownership is numbered in millions and millions across the country, yet some continue to highlight the hundreds or thousands of incidents as the norm. Tragic yes....the norm for gun owners...ABSOLUTELY NOT!!

THE GUNS OR ACCESS TO THEM IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!! I guess I am in amazement in what part of even in a no guns allowed society, the non law abiding folks will still have and use them. The manic husband or boyfriend without a gun will stab, beat with a bat or some other means of accomplishing the task.

Some....SOME....PEOPLE.....SOME PEOPLE......are the problem.

I do not pretend to ever convert a non gun person....only dispute the trumpeted distortion when and where ever possible.

btk

Originally Posted by BBQMan

You're correct - typical right wing = deal with the facts and look for ways to improve. Typical left wing = ignore the facts, look for victimization where none exists, and, above all scream pout, conduct rallies and attack the innocent.

Now this is funny......especially since the right wing has a full scale war on women going.

You all want smaller government until it comes to women then you want to regulate the heck out of us.

Originally Posted by cologal

Now this is funny......especially since the right wing has a full scale war on women going.

You all want smaller government until it comes to women then you want to regulate the heck out of us.

Read in one paper today that the Republicans are going to be short on manpower, as they now have a war on women, a war on the poor, and a war on blacks.

What a ruthless and cutthroat group...how do the good guys over there on the left handle all of this...of course, the superpowers they all possess that allows them to always be right...and they have all the goodness on their side.

If the President or the Democrats tell us that the Republicans have another war going, there will need to be a draft.

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

Clicked on the PFD file download from the supplied link and the book comes right up for you to read or print out.

Just to point out to you a fact, a gun has never killed anyone, people kill people, whatever they use, from hands to stones to rockets.

I would agree that guns by themselves do not kill people ... the combination of people and guns do kill people. There are some people who should NOT have guns, for example Jared Loughner. At that point your opinion and and mine will diverge.