Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

I like President Obama's openness, his willingness to make tough decisions, the respect that he has from the rest of the world, his ability to explain complex situations to the public, and the fact that for the most part he seems to be doing exactly what he said he would do during his campaign. I liked his campaign platform at the time; I voted for him; and so far at least, I'm glad I did.

I embrace his strategy for resolving the economic crisis. Whether every part of the plan will work remains to be seen. I doubt everything will work. But I am convinced of one thing--doing nothing and hoping that free market economics will work out the problem would be a disaster and far more expensive than the plan being executed. I spent my entire working career working in both of the two industries that are the most newsworthy in this crisis, so I probably know a little bit more about both than the average American. Having said that, I agree with the actions being taken by the new administration.

I agree with the Obama tax policy. If anything, I believe that the wealthiest Americans should pay even more in taxes. That would include me.

I agree with the legislation he asked for to address our health care system and our horrendous system of public education. Having almost a quarter of Americans with no healthcare insurance and our kids ranked lower than 25th in the world by standardized test scores are almost criminal failures by those involved in the prior governance of the U.S.

I agree with the significant changes in government regulations being proposed. The purposeful erosion of both the regulatory agencies and the regulations themselves have gotten us into the problems we're experiencing. Free market economics and laissez faire governance have failed us. A different approach is required.

I don't like the inattention to fiscal restraint that I've seen so far, but I remain hopeful that once the economic crisis begins to show signs of resolution, that fiscal policy will rise to a level of greater attention.

Having said all this, am I convinced that I will vote for President Obama's re-election? I'm not sure. I've embraced the idea that there is little wrong with single terms for all federal elected officials, both executive and legislative. But it depends on who runs against him and what their campaign platform reveals.

I'm sure none of this surprises you, Bucco. But you asked, and I answered.

Not surprised and MY QUESTION WAS SURELY NOT AIMED AT YOU....

I was not even going to post in this thread but these folks who come in here and have NOTHING to say except they support President Obama but have no reasons as to why are amazing.

You at least have opinions on the issues and maybe I disagree or agree but it is not simply saying...hey, I like him and you are being negative for disagreeing with him !!

I invite those who say they do not post in here because it is negative to come in and state your case...tell us WHY you support the stimulus bill....WHY you support his budget....WHY, WHY !

It is not fair to anyone who posts in here, WHETHER THEY SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT OR NOT, to say this is a bad place NOT EVERYONE AGREES, thankfully....

Dont criticize folks for discussing what is going on or call them negative. READ, LEARN and post in here WHY you feel the way you do.

VK and I disagree a lot....BUT I have learned from him and because of his posts I have done research on issues.

If you dont care, or dont want to learn what is happening and have no opinion other than one of... those who dont agree with you are negagive, then I suppose it is best you stay out of here...BUT dont criticize folks for discussing issues. Most times it never gets personal and I, although perhaps a bit slower, have learned quite a bit on here !!!

Kahuna,

You and I need to talk. Given you are so willing to kick in extra tax money for the cause, can you help pick up some of my tax burden for this year? I'm far from rich and I could really use some breathing room.

I'm serious, you have it to spend and I don't.

Originally Posted by Yoda

If you voted for Obama, you now realize that you made a horrendous mistake..
...or, you don't.

How say you?

The American Voters have expressed their desires and wishes.
Stop listening to Glenn Beck - Rush Limbaugh - Bill O'Reilly - Ann Coulter - Sean Hannady and the rest. Get with the majority and do your part to help.

Originally Posted by Topper1

The American Voters have expressed their desires and wishes.
Stop listening to Glenn Beck - Rush Limbaugh - Bill O'Reilly - Ann Coulter - Sean Hannady and the rest. Get with the majority and do your part to help.

61 MILLION did not vote for President Obama....SIXTY ONE MILLION !!

But that is not the point....

Please share how we can do our part ??????

PS: I, personally, dont listen to any of those folks...will admit to catching a bit of Beck though.....I also dont listen to Olberman, Maddow, Michael Moore !!
BUT will be waiting to hear how we can do our part !!!

Originally Posted by Indy-Guy

Spoken like a true rock thrower from the cheap seats.

You as stated have no clue what I assume is your guy did that was good for this country. I assume you voted for Bush (as I did) but did you vote for George Washington? By the way when I write the name Bush I use a capital B. You state that you worked your azz off. Well so did many of us as well as spend time in the military and I did both and still don't think I know everything.

I seldom get into a political debate because of people who only can point out what is wrong with one party or another.

I for one hope that our current administration is succesful we all need this. Even the rock throwers from the cheap seats.

This is still a great Country!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess that the lack of a capital B is important to you. Thank you for spell checking for me. You never mentioned much of what I said .

Thank you for your service. I served also.

I resent you referring to my seat as cheap. You wouldn't think so if you saw my tax bill.

I support President Obama. He is my President. I do not support his wrong headed attempts at bankrupting out economy.

I do not support redistribution of income. Or "returning the wealth to its rightful owners.

I do not support is appointment of a tax evader as treasurer.

I do not support his nomination or a radical internationalist to the state department as legal adviser

I do not support his unconstitutional actions.

I do not support him ignoring the supream court by attacking the second amendment, again.

He is the President and I support him in that office.

Originally Posted by billy2fish

yoda just hand operated on still can't write but can type a little so I wont be giving a counter reply. If you really think that Obama is all you said he was,you really have to go either back to your own planet or seek help from luke skywalker ,darth vader alias george bush is a bad man a very bad man. may the force be with you,and remember you are loved by all of us that don't agree with you.

Do all liberals just make the attack personal rather than address the issues?

Originally Posted by Topper1

The American Voters have expressed their desires and wishes.
Stop listening to Glenn Beck - Rush Limbaugh - Bill O'Reilly - Ann Coulter - Sean Hannady and the rest. Get with the majority and do your part to help.

Topper
Perhaps you should start listening to Glen Beck - Rush Limbaugh - Bill - O'Reilly etc. You may realize that you are not the majority and that I am helping, by paying attention.

Yoda

Originally Posted by Yoda

Do all liberals just make the attack personal rather than address the issues?

Honestly I did not see this as a personal attack. Billy made it very clear that he had apparently just had hand surgery and would not be typing a full reply. He did however try to speak "your language" as Yoda. I saw it as a very nice reply. Perhaps he thinks you are wrong about Obama and hopes that you would give the man, the office, the team a chance....

I don't think Biily2fish has a nasty bone in his body....the heart of gold....he actually extended his love for you in the post. Where is the personal attack? I missed it I guess...

Anyway....we can all agree to disagree...

Cassie
"If you really think that Obama is all you said he was,you really have to go either back to your own planet"

Is not a personal attack?

Ok.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

I like President Obama's openness, his willingness to make tough decisions, the respect that he has from the rest of the world, his ability to explain complex situations to the public, and the fact that for the most part he seems to be doing exactly what he said he would do during his campaign. I liked his campaign platform at the time; I voted for him; and so far at least, I'm glad I did.

I embrace his strategy for resolving the economic crisis. Whether every part of the plan will work remains to be seen. I doubt everything will work. But I am convinced of one thing--doing nothing and hoping that free market economics will work out the problem would be a disaster and far more expensive than the plan being executed. I spent my entire working career working in both of the two industries that are the most newsworthy in this crisis, so I probably know a little bit more about both than the average American. Having said that, I agree with the actions being taken by the new administration.

I agree with the Obama tax policy. If anything, I believe that the wealthiest Americans should pay even more in taxes. That would include me.

I agree with the legislation he asked for to address our health care system and our horrendous system of public education. Having almost a quarter of Americans with no healthcare insurance and our kids ranked lower than 25th in the world by standardized test scores are almost criminal failures by those involved in the prior governance of the U.S.

I agree with the significant changes in government regulations being proposed. The purposeful erosion of both the regulatory agencies and the regulations themselves have gotten us into the problems we're experiencing. Free market economics and laissez faire governance have failed us. A different approach is required.

I don't like the inattention to fiscal restraint that I've seen so far, but I remain hopeful that once the economic crisis begins to show signs of resolution, that fiscal policy will rise to a level of greater attention.

Having said all this, am I convinced that I will vote for President Obama's re-election? I'm not sure. I've embraced the idea that there is little wrong with single terms for all federal elected officials, both executive and legislative. But it depends on who runs against him and what their campaign platform reveals.

I'm sure none of this surprises you, Bucco. But you asked, and I answered.

The difficulty I have is twofold:

1. The graduated-percentage income tax concept, the death tax and other taxes sculpted by the majority against a minority population which has accomplished the most overall in a capitalistic society is legalized theft. For a society which touts equality among the citizenry as a "truth self evident," that concept seems to end when Jones has worked harder than Smith and has achieved greater wealth along the way. So, seeking higher taxes from a population because that population has earned more is as discriminatory as levying more taxes against a particular ethnic population simply because there are more (or fewer) of them here. So, as you can see, the Obama tax concepts run counter to my beliefs.

2. Rewriting - or claiming to rewrite - the entire Code of Federal Regulations is the ultimate in political smoke-and-mirrors. Regulations simply codify how laws will be administered and enforced, not which ones will or will not be enforced. However, no matter what the regulations say, the trump card is the budget, because unless the requisite funding is in place to implement the regulations as written, the written words are hollow. That's the case now for most regulations, as the funding across-the-board is woefully insufficient to match with the ever-increasing requirements (e.g., laws) of the Congress for any administration to achieve. If the full funding was available, we'd all be broke anyway, because taxes to run government according to all the regulations would strip us naked.

So, what we again have is grandstanding by politicians who know what they sell is smoke, and are betting on the populace to not really know how government actually operates.

Originally Posted by Yoda

Cassie
"If you really think that Obama is all you said he was,you really have to go either back to your own planet"

Is not a personal attack?

Ok.

I guess I read it differently...just saw him speaking the language of Star Wars...and if he meant it as a personal attack then I apologize....but my guess is that he was just being funny....

Oh well....back to the conversation....


What were those 5 things you liked about Obama?

Originally Posted by Cassie325

I guess I read it differently...just saw him speaking the language of Star Wars...and if he meant it as a personal attack then I apologize....but my guess is that he was just being funny....

Oh well....back to the conversation....


What were those 5 things you liked about Obama?

I dont know that I have 5 things that I like about Obama. Not even 1.

Originally Posted by dklassen

Kahuna,

You and I need to talk. Given you are so willing to kick in extra tax money for the cause, can you help pick up some of my tax burden for this year? I'm far from rich and I could really use some breathing room.

I'm serious, you have it to spend and I don't.

Nothing like trying to get a hand out. From what I could take on VK"s post is he worked hard and dont mind if he should account for more. Do not believe he said he should, but if he gets it, he understands.
I voted for Obama, but think somethings seem wrong. But he is upfront and I cant remember If he caused all this trama and drama you guys talk about. Oh SNAP, I almost forgot, he just took office not long ago. Had to be a different cat or past cats that got us here.
I was in the Marine Corps when CLinton did his no good deal, couldnt stand him for that due to fellow Marines getting Courts Martialed for the same thing. But the economy was good. That dont let him off the hook, a cigar is a cigar. It took along time for us to get in the boat we are in. I am on the bow of the thing, and it dont say the USS OBAMA on it. It starts out with """"WE THE PEOPLE""""""""""" so there are a whole lot of people that must be deaf, dumb and blind as you guys put it on here about Obama or any President that has been around.
Lets see some one wanted 5 things good about GW. how about 5 things good with any President, then give me the 5 worse things they have done in office. See what kind of list we get.

yoda that WAS NOT a personal attack repeat not a personal attack. I don't even know you I may this year disagree with you who knows what I may think next year when any one discusses politics on this forum and starts off by calling the president of the US a communist he or she must have a thicker skin than that.Communism is a failed form of government thank God. I may disagree with you but thats my right as an American,a year from now I may agree with you but not the communism or socialist part. Your making my fingers tired now so go to sleep wake up in a year when your 401k or whatever else you have is worth much much more. Obama to the rescue.

I'm not half as concerned with the total amount of dollars my 401k is worth as I am the buying power of those dollars. It does no good for a portfolio to increase 10% if the currency is effectively devalued by 20%.

That's the problem with the printing of $1Trillion or more dollars against the "collateral" of the nation. All that happens is while the collateral remains fixed, the actual value (versus the face value) of the paper dips. This has been happening for decades, but this latest printing-panic is equal to dozens of years of inflation/devaluation in one short year.