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Bucco, it's not complicated. It's a simple declarative sentence. I AM BACKING OBAMA BECAUSE I LIKE HIS STANDS ON THE ISSUES! That said, I am not going to literally repeat all of his stands on the issues. Here are two links below:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm

I agree with his positions. This is why I'm voting for him. I really can't make it any clearer than that. This is not just voting for change, this is voting for a man I believe in. I think he will be a stellar President of the United States.
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Fair enough...I respect that and that is what an election is. Allow me to explain my frustration however if you will without getting personal, CERTAINLY not about you and trying not to with Sen Obama.

I hear supporters of Sen Obama who say they think he is great....but they dont know why. I support many of the WORDS of both candidates, but I put more stock in actions. When Sen Obama first burst on the scene, I started to check on this guy who I had never heard of....listened to his speeches which are terrific. I still see absolutely no substance whatsoever in Sen Obama, although I will admit that if he could translate his beautiful words into actions I would be impressed,...HOWEVER the FACTS do not substantiate that happening.

Example...in the recent Georgia situation, he sends his top aide,Susan Rice on CNN to say that perhaps Sen McCain has made the situation worse by his response (which was not much different than Sen Obama and along the lines of what this country wants..support our allies), and then will give a speech saying we should not allow politics to enter into situations like this. His words are always different from what he does (or as is the norm someone on his campaign does for him).

We will see in November......I am surely not a supporter of Sen McCain, but will vote for him. Should Sen Obama win and he should, I will surely support him as my President but will fight with all my might to prevent the almost certain movement to socialism.

We’ve had good presidents with little experience and bad presidents with lots of experience. The really undecided voter should focus on policies, judgement, knowledge, intellectual capacity, character and the candidate’s advisors. Obama has had 10 years of experience as a legislator. If I recall, Bush had only 6 years, and look at what a poor president he's turned out to be - not necessarily from his experience level, but based on his poor decisions. for being so "inexperienced", Obama made a well formed decision when he voted against the Iraq war.


If you're really interested in Obama's experience and accomplishments, go to this link:
http://www.obamapedia.org/page/Does+...e+president%3F
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I am not so hung up on the experience issue although it counts (See George Will's newest book for a good discussion of this issue) but I could not agree more with advisors and character. This includes, at least to me, background where character is built and I hope that all look deeply into this. Jessie Jackson's son(Sen Obama's co manager) once said after the SC primary that Sen Obama was acting "too white" and I expected him to go after that...didnt and that dissapointed me, but I would ask everyone to do just what you asked Lil Dancer....check on character and advisors and background...very important !

LIL DANCER....I read the link you supplied and thank you for the link. Although obviously very slanted it still allows a different perspective.

All his accomplishments in congress were done in a total of about 4 months as that is approx the total time he spent there. THAT is not a critique of his experience but maybe a critique of the over reach of presenting his accomplishments. He also in those short 4 months became the most left wing Senator,and therein is MY PERSONAL problem with Sen Obama.

Originally Posted by Bucco

LIL DANCER....I read the link you supplied and thank you for the link. Although obviously very slanted it still allows a different perspective.

All his accomplishments in congress were done in a total of about 4 months as that is approx the total time he spent there. THAT is not a critique of his experience but maybe a critique of the over reach of presenting his accomplishments. He also in those short 4 months became the most left wing Senator,and therein is MY PERSONAL problem with Sen Obama.

You neglected to mention his 8 years as a State legislator, and his accomplishments there:

In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

In the U.S. Senate, he has focused on tackling the challenges of a globalized, 21st century world with fresh thinking and a politics that no longer settles for the lowest common denominator. His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent. He has also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.

As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan. Recognizing the terrorist threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world. And knowing the threat we face to our economy and our security from America's addiction to oil, he's working to bring auto companies, unions, farmers, businesses and politicians of both parties together to promote the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards in our cars.

But obviously, if you don't like his liberal leanings, it wouldn't matter how much experience he has.

Originally Posted by Lil Dancer

They only see what they want to see.

AMEN ___ AND BELIEVE ONLY WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE... CHECK OUT THE FACTS FIRST

GO OBAMA :hot: :hot:

Originally Posted by chelsea24

Bucco, it's not complicated. It's a simple declarative sentence. I AM BACKING OBAMA BECAUSE I LIKE HIS STANDS ON THE ISSUES! That said, I am not going to literally repeat all of his stands on the issues. Here are two links below:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm

I agree with his positions. This is why I'm voting for him. I really can't make it any clearer than that. This is not just voting for change, this is voting for a man I believe in. I think he will be a stellar President of the United States. :#1:


HERE HERE :beer2:

HAPPY62...LIL DANCER........I did not bring up the experience issue at all. I simply responded with a comment concerning his web site listing accomplishments and said it happened in 4 months. I never mentioned nor do I question his state accomplishments. In addition I said earlier that I did not think that experience was a large issue..an issue but not a big deal.

I have said over and over again.....and to someone who said you believe what you want to believe.....my concern about Sen Obama is his training and background. Nobody on here has disputed what I mentioned...just ignored it. I submit to you that if a candidate came on the scene in any other time period...ie., without Iraq and our troubled economy....with such a background they would have beem dismissed. I have also said, so nobody accuses me of "bad mouthing" somebody or being negative...that he may be a great President...I dont know and neither do you. I simply have stated my concern....and my opinion. And that can be summarized by saying that this country cannot afford to make a sharp turn left...it just cannot do it, and BASED ON SEN OBAMA'S TRAINING AND RECORD THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN...BASED ON HIS RECORD. I do not, personally believe in socialized medicine...or more social programs.

I have never said one thing about the man personally except his background is not a comfortable fit for me. All I hear is cheerleading and excuses for anything he says or does, and that does not sit well with me. He must take some respsonbility sometime somehow for things he says and does...every critique cannot be passed off as unfair because it is him.

I have looked at the issues and where each SAYS they stand...I look forward to the debates to get a look at substance HOPEFULLY.

I have never ever passed on or posted the things you find on the internet about Sen Obama, so those who say I "believe what I want" are not correct. I believe what I am able to verify.

I have asked to discuss issues...ISSUES...not rumors. I have responded when a counter was given to me about his background and training and not one iota in response.

Telling me and everyone else that whatever they hear is wrong because it is about Sen Obama makes no sense to me without some kind of substance.

I always feel like I am being lectured when I hear....I only believe what I want because that is FACTUALLY AND SUBSTANTIALLY WRONG and can be verified by my posts...Ihear only GO OBAMA and nothing of any substance. I even said how I would support Sen Obama if he were elected...I have said that I am not excited about Sen McCain.

I can only assume that those who post in support of him are ok with a left turn toward a socialist society...I did not say communist or any other bad words...it is obvious that he wants my taxes to pay for somebody elses medical care....and pay for a lot more things that I think need to be earned. THAT is my concern...there isnothing personal here...simply my credo that I do not want the govenment to be paying or interfering with everyones life....to me less government is a better government.

I suppose I should stop posting here because there is no discussion...I have agreed with not having any difficulty with experience....and my assumption, I suppose, has to be that all the social programs that he endorses, including the Global Poverty act are ok with folks and just shut up and let it be.

Gosh, I wish people would stop depending on snopes for facts. Like Wikipedia, it is not totally dependable to use to base your decisions on.