There are several affected groups. To name just three:
the rich will be taxed to pay for "it"
those that don't have "it" (or ANY now)
those of us who will have lessor coverage because of "it"

"it" is being geared up to be RAMMED (or Rahmed) through via a partisan vote....which the Dems are all saying they really don't want to do.....BUT WILL!!

I would appeal those of you, like my wife and I (forget party affiliation) who will be destined to a reduced medical benefit from what Medicare/Medicaide/SocialSecurity/et al currently provide. To maintain the same coverage we currently have we will wind up buying supplemental insurance (just as most of us do to increase coverage above Medicare). The government will be dictating what doctors will and will not do with emphasis on the latter. Hospitals ditto. There will be an impact on doctor availability, for the basic coverage and services allowed.
If you think the waiting room is crowded now just think of the impact on existing facilities and offices when an additional 22,000,000 are included.

What we are witnessing is a personal objective going to be accomplished that will not fix the basic ills of a system that is already over stressed.
We will see wait times go up, increased costs for equal coverage will come out of our fixed incomes, quality of care will go down, the aged will be targeted for reduced care to allow for the younger who have longer to live and in the process the future debt of this country will be headed in a direction that has no bounds upon it.

There is daily discussion about how is it going to be paid for? What is the impact on the future debt of the country? Concern for a worthless dollar?
USA debt will over saturate non USA investors? And yet Obama and his lemmings are in full speed ahead mode.

I don't care whether you are a liberal, or Democrat, or Republican, leftist, right wing, black, yellow, brown or what ever.....you will be in the same boat.
You can't be so partisan you would let the government dictate how you will live and how much money you will have left (after paying for appropriate health care coverage). If there ever was a time to write your representative in Washington it is now.

If the Nationalization of our health care does get passed, then I will tell anybody, there is no hope for the future. Life as we know it will never, ever be as good as it is while YOU are reading this post. Our children and grandchildren and thereafter will bear the cross for years to come.

Another piece of world record shattering cost that will be little understood and passed. Add it to the prior bail outs and the pending Cap and tax debacles. Is there anything we the people will stand and be counted upon for? Based on history and especially recent events, I am afraid not.

Even living in TV will not insulate us from the coming disaster.

btk

Here is a link that has some good facts & thoughts

To VK....Warning....THIS IS NOT A NEWS SOURCE
http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_ht...ppy-obamacare/


Also..Check out the CBO's (Congressional Budget Office) 10 year chart. See where the money starts kicking in.
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/07/14...me-obscures-fu

Health care is a right bill?

Should then electricity be a right? Who wants to freeze to death if you can’t afford to pay the electric bill? Should gas be a right? Should owning a car be a right? How about a home? How about a job? Funny how the dems are all about rights now…. except the right to life of course.

Anyway, kiss jobs and the economy good bye if this passes.

The legislation calls for a 5.4 percent tax increase on individuals making more than $1 million a year, with a gradual tax beginning at $280,000 for individuals. Employers who don't provide coverage would be hit with a penalty equal to 8 percent of workers' wages, with an exemption for small businesses. Individuals who decline an offer of affordable coverage would pay 2.5 percent of their incomes as a penalty, up to the average cost of a health insurance plan.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...HW-ywD99EQPSG2

DON"T LIKE IT AND DON"T NEED IT
We are let to believe only the rich will be paying for this. Just wait till we find out we are all rich under their standards. Yes we will just tax those greedy rich fellas. Please give me a break. We are in trouble.

Senior citizens better wake up. They were very vocal about Bush but strangely silent about Obama. I can hardly read AARP anymore..they are so for Obama.
http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2009/...peal-medicare/

Obama is lying yet again to the American public to get through his socialist agenda. Even today he is saying that people who like the health care they have now can keep it. That is a lie. The National Health care bill will drive out the public sector providers. Also, he says you can keep your doctors. Baloney -- they will not be there. Many will just get out of the business or go to uber-expensive boutique doctoring (i.e., you pay $5-10K/year per family just to go the doctor) and hospital stays are out of pocket. So you're really forced into taking Nationalized healthcare (RATIONED) plan. If you are a senior like most of us here, that should be of much concern to you.

For those of you still working and getting healthcare from your place of business, if you get layed off, this National Health bill DOES NOT allow portability.

If you're not layed off, the companies will be dropping this benefit quicker than you can say, where'd I leave the remote!!

Originally Posted by Keedy

....Warning....THIS IS NOT A NEWS SOURCE...

Correcto-mundo, Keedy. It is just opinion and not news.

But to address a question here..."when do we find out what it is?"...I think the answer is when Congress finally negotiates a healthcare program that is acceptable to both the House and the Senate and writes it down as HRxx or Sxx and gives everyone something to read.

All the criticisms we're reading about these days about what's in the proposed bill and what isn't IS pure opnion. It has to be because there is no bill yet.

There's nothing wrong with maintaining an active interest in what the members of Congress are negotiating and why. But how anyone can reach conclusions about what's in the bill when it doesn't yet exist is a little mind-boggling.
---------------------------------------
Just for the record, I don't want any more control over my healthcare benefits than is currently dictated by Medicare and the insurance companies--and that's plenty! Whether anyone cares to admit it, we get whatever level of care that one or both of those will agree to pay for. Your doctor or your hospital have little or nothing to say about it. When Medicare or the insurance company refuses to pay, your treatment or hospitalization stops!

I sure as heck don't want to pay any more for healthcare than I am now. However, I do believe that the huge number of Americans that don't have healthcare insurance should somehow be accommodated. I understand that will have to be paid for. But I would choose to pay for those increased benefits with increased taxation, NOT savings resulting from reduced or rationed benefits. But as I said above, I'm not getting my shorts in a knot about this issue until I can read the proposed bill and understand what's being proposed.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Correcto-mundo, Keedy. It is just opinion and not news.

But to address a question here..."when do we find out what it is?"...I think the answer is when Congress finally negotiates a healthcare program that is acceptable to both the House and the Senate and writes it down as HRxx or Sxx and gives everyone something to read.

All the criticisms we're reading about these days about what's in the proposed bill and what isn't IS pure opnion. It has to be because there is no bill yet.

There's nothing wrong with maintaining an active interest in what the members of Congress are negotiating and why. But how anyone can reach conclusions about what's in the bill when it doesn't yet exist is a little mind-boggling.

Well, correct me if I'm wrong...didn't congress just pass a bill without reading it????
People have to get involved and yes, speculate to they can write or communicate somehow with their representatives to let them know what the taxpayers expect, right?
Ahhhh what the heck...congress will just rubber stamp it if the Annointed One wants it, right?

Originally Posted by Keedy

...Senior citizens better wake up...

Oh boy! Dick Morris--that's someone I'm really going to rely on for information about what the proposed healthcare bill is all about.

Yeah, right!

Originally Posted by Keedy

...Ahhhh what the heck...congress will just rubber stamp it if the Annointed One wants it, right?

Stop me if I'm wrong, but has the President ever published a complete, proposed healthcare bill including all the details? There are many that are critical of the President because he hasn't done that, and is letting Congress negotiate the details of the bill. About all he's provided is a pretty broad outline of what he'd like to see in such legislation.

Originally Posted by Keedy

Well, correct me if I'm wrong...didn't congress just pass a bill without reading it????...

Yes, they did. And it wasn't the first time that happened by a long shot. Another time that happened was when the Medicare prescription drug bill was passed. It was written by a large drug company lobbying firm and wasn't introduced for Congressional review until the morning of the final vote!

That incident by itself should be enough for us to decide to throw the 435 out and start over. If it happens again with healthcare legislation, maybe enough people will get p____d enough to make it happen.

In the meantime, there is absolutely nothing wrong with letting your elected reps know what parts of the proposed legislation being opined on are acceptable--or not acceptable--to you as a constituent.

Don't ever underestimate Dick Morris.


Related: Here in Massachusetts, they passed a mandatory health insurance bill.They tell you to go get insurance if you don't have it. You look around and decide that it is too expensive and I'll take my chance without it. It should be my right not to have insurance, right? WRONG..Massachusetts will fine you big bucks if you do not have proof of insurance. So, you pay the fine because although it steep...it is still cheaper then buying health insurance. After I paid all that money..I still have no health insurance. Great, huh?
My question is..where the hell in the constitution does it say I have to pay money for insurance I don't want????

Originally Posted by Keedy

...My question is..where the hell in the constitution does it say I have to pay money for insurance I don't want????

Maybe in the same place where the words have created an expectation that a person must be treated in a hospital whether or not he/she has insurance or can even afford to pay for such treatment.

I'll tell you one thing for sure. If doctors and hospitals simply stopped treating a person(s) who either didn't have insurance or couldn't prove an ability ot pay for treatment, healthcare legislation would be moving along at warp speed. But of course that won't happen because if the doctors and hospitals acted that way, the lawyers would sue the living bejesus out of them.

Originally Posted by Keedy View Post
...My question is..where the hell in the constitution does it say I have to pay money for insurance I don't want????

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Maybe in the same place where the words have created an expectation that a person must be treated in a hospital whether or not he/she has insurance or can even afford to pay for such treatment.

I'll tell you one thing for sure. If doctors and hospitals simply stopped treating a person(s) who either didn't have insurance or couldn't prove an ability ot pay for treatment, healthcare legislation would be moving along at warp speed. But of course that won't happen because if the doctors and hospitals acted that way, the lawyers would sue the living bejesus out of them.

Next thing you know, you will be required to get insurance before the state issues tags for your automobile.....no, wait.
Well, at least the mortgage company doesn't make it mandatory to have insurance on that new home you want to finance........they do??

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

Originally Posted by Keedy View Post
...My question is..where the hell in the constitution does it say I have to pay money for insurance I don't want????



Next thing you know, you will be required to get insurance before the state issues tags for your automobile.....no, wait.
Well, at least the mortgage company doesn't make it mandatory to have insurance on that new home you want to finance........they do??

Oh great...A human body is being compared to a car and a house.