Originally Posted by Guest

Guess I just got the online version of a pat on the head. Sigh. I know it is hard for you conservative, Republican, whte men to believe, but most liberals are not stupid nor naive. We love this country. We do have work ethics. We are no more hypocritical than most average human beings. Many of us really do understand that a coin has two sides. We are tolerant of other people's foibles and beliefs. We may not like it, but we do believe the KKK has as much right to a parade as a peace protest. We do believe everyone should get a fair chance but not a free ride. We do believe that protecting the environment is important. We do believe that people should have the right to enjoy their sexual preference so long as it does not harm another. And so on and so forth. We ain't stupid nor blind.

Most liberals I know are sorely disappointed in Obama and not thrilled with the concept of Hillary as President. But we do think anyone would be better than Trump or Rubio. For now, I'm rooting for Rand Paul and he doesn't stand a snowball's chance. So, Mickey Mouse may end up getting my vote.

Wow!----where did you get your impression of liberals, Fantasyland???? Sorry, but the liberals I know, as well as those on TV as "commentators" are only "tolerant" of those who agree with them, but since they have no logical arguments to support their point of view, resort to name calling and labeling everyone else "racist", "homophobic", or "islamophobic" They support open borders, a nuclear Iran, European style socialism, "free stuff" for those who produce absolutely nothing, including cell phones, cars, wide screen TVs, home computers and gaming systems, and college tuition. They bash anyone who owns a gun, while they themselves are protected by armed bodyguards. They think Islam is the "religion of peace"--religion of pieces is more like it. They join PETA, but support abortion. They think 67% of those incarcerated come from an ethnic group that is only 13% of the population because the criminal justice system is "racist", not because these are the people committing the violent crimes. They think they are safer from a mass shooter in a "gun free zone". And these are just the run of the mill liberals, not the extreme left "wacko birds" Like Bill O'Reilly says, "wise up"

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Wow!----where did you get your impression of liberals, Fantasyland???? Sorry, but the liberals I know, as well as those on TV as "commentators" are only "tolerant" of those who agree with them, but since they have no logical arguments to support their point of view, resort to name calling and labeling everyone else "racist", "homophobic", or "islamophobic" They support open borders, a nuclear Iran, European style socialism, "free stuff" for those who produce absolutely nothing, including cell phones, cars, wide screen TVs, home computers and gaming systems, and college tuition. They bash anyone who owns a gun, while they themselves are protected by armed bodyguards. They think Islam is the "religion of peace"--religion of pieces is more like it. They join PETA, but support abortion. They think 67% of those incarcerated come from an ethnic group that is only 13% of the population because the criminal justice system is "racist", not because these are the people committing the violent crimes. They think they are safer from a mass shooter in a "gun free zone". And these are just the run of the mill liberals, not the extreme left "wacko birds" Like Bill O'Reilly says, "wise up"

That was a very good response. The only thing that I might add, is regarding his comment about tolerating the KKK. I guess he/she does not realize that the KKK was started by Democrats and that the Democrats were the ones that voted against abolishing slavery and then later against the equal rights amendment. But, I am sure that the confused liberal meant well.

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*HOW TO BECOME A LIBERAL*

1. You must believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.
2. You must believe the same teacher who cannot teach 4th graders to read is somehow qualified to teach them about sex.
3. You must believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than nuclear weapons in the hands of Iranian jihadists..
4. You must believe there was no art before Federal funding.
5. You must believe global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by SUVs.
6. You must believe gender roles are artificial, but homosexuality is natural.
7. You must be against capital punishment, but in favor of abortion on demand.
8. You must believe business creates oppression and the government creates prosperity.
9. You must believe self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.
10. You must believe the military, not politicians, start wars where military personnel, not politicians, die.
11. You must believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution
12. You must believe taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
13. You must believe standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren't.
14. You must believe Hillary Clinton and Elena Kagan are ladies.
15. You must believe the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.
16. You must believe homosexual parades are Constitutionally protected, but manger displays at Christmas are illegal.
17. You must believe that anyone who dislikes "ANYTHING" about Obama is a racist.
18. You must believe that anyone who wants to pay less tax and take back the extreme weakening in Washington is an idiot.
19. You must believe that everything that is going wrong now is Bush's fault.
20. YOU MUST LOVE THE CHANGE YOU VOTED FOR!

How to become a conservative acquire the ability to talk out of both sides of your mouth at the same time. Take a look at the chart of how much each state pays in income tax, and how much of that comes back to them.
Federal Taxes paid/received for each State

Now, do you want to talk about handouts, and who is receiving them!

Originally Posted by Guest

That was a very good response. The only thing that I might add, is regarding his comment about tolerating the KKK. I guess he/she does not realize that the KKK was started by Democrats and that the Democrats were the ones that voted against abolishing slavery and then later against the equal rights amendment. But, I am sure that the confused liberal meant well.

I don't think they're confused at all---it's just they truly believe their distorted ideology, regardless of the facts. Too much Kool-Aid must kill brain cells

Originally Posted by Guest

Guess I just got the online version of a pat on the head. Sigh. I know it is hard for you conservative, Republican, whte men to believe, but most liberals are not stupid nor naive. We love this country. We do have work ethics. We are no more hypocritical than most average human beings. Many of us really do understand that a coin has two sides. We are tolerant of other people's foibles and beliefs. We may not like it, but we do believe the KKK has as much right to a parade as a peace protest. We do believe everyone should get a fair chance but not a free ride. We do believe that protecting the environment is important. We do believe that people should have the right to enjoy their sexual preference so long as it does not harm another. And so on and so forth. We ain't stupid nor blind.

Most liberals I know are sorely disappointed in Obama and not thrilled with the concept of Hillary as President. But we do think anyone would be better than Trump or Rubio. For now, I'm rooting for Rand Paul and he doesn't stand a snowball's chance. So, Mickey Mouse may end up getting my vote.

If I was a Democrat, like my father was I would be voting for Mickey Mouse also. But, the Democrat party of today is NOT the DemocratIC party of yesteryear.

Originally Posted by Guest

Guess I just got the online version of a pat on the head. Sigh. I know it is hard for you conservative, Republican, whte men to believe, but most liberals are not stupid nor naive. We love this country. We do have work ethics. We are no more hypocritical than most average human beings. Many of us really do understand that a coin has two sides. We are tolerant of other people's foibles and beliefs. We may not like it, but we do believe the KKK has as much right to a parade as a peace protest. We do believe everyone should get a fair chance but not a free ride. We do believe that protecting the environment is important. We do believe that people should have the right to enjoy their sexual preference so long as it does not harm another. And so on and so forth. We ain't stupid nor blind.

Most liberals I know are sorely disappointed in Obama and not thrilled with the concept of Hillary as President. But we do think anyone would be better than Trump or Rubio. For now, I'm rooting for Rand Paul and he doesn't stand a snowball's chance. So, Mickey Mouse may end up getting my vote.

Damn, I told you either John Kasich, or Donald Duck. Mickey Mouse is use to getting his own way like Trump. It is hard to understand Donald Duck, when he speaks. That would make him well qualified to become president.

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If I was a Democrat, like my father was I would be voting for Mickey Mouse also. But, the Democrat party of today is NOT the DemocratIC party of yesteryear.

Agree with that. Today, JFK would probably be in the Tea Party. Gus Hall, who ran as the communist party candidate through that era, would be considered too moderate to join the Democratic party. I think Hugo Chavez might qualify, ...maybe

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Damn, I told you either John Kasich, or Donald Duck. Mickey Mouse is use to getting his own way like Trump. It is hard to understand Donald Duck, when he speaks. That would make him well qualified to become president.

Donald has too many temper tantrums. Goofy might be a good Republican choice. How about Pluto for the Dems? I vote Independent, so really do try to pick the best candidate for my country at that time. Political party is irrelevant. (I don't like either party.)

And would dearly love to know where some if you are meeting the liberals you describe? Glad the ones I know are a bit more willing to think things through. Let's face it, no political party is perfect. We all should choose what we think is best for the country, not ourselves. It's a shame people can't vote with their minds rather than their emotions.

And, OP, sorry your thread has gone so far off topic, but it does give you an idea of what's here.

Originally Posted by Guest

How to become a conservative acquire the ability to talk out of both sides of your mouth at the same time. Take a look at the chart of how much each state pays in income tax, and how much of that comes back to them.
Federal Taxes paid/received for each State

Now, do you want to talk about handouts, and who is receiving them!

That's your counterargument???? Lame doesn't begin to describe it. Waiting to be called a racist or homophobe.......

Originally Posted by Guest

Donald has too many temper tantrums. Goofy might be a good Republican choice. How about Pluto for the Dems? I vote Independent, so really do try to pick the best candidate for my country at that time. Political party is irrelevant. (I don't like either party.)

And would dearly love to know where some if you are meeting the liberals you describe? Glad the ones I know are a bit more willing to think things through. Let's face it, no political party is perfect. We all should choose what we think is best for the country, not ourselves. It's a shame people can't vote with their minds rather than their emotions.

And, OP, sorry your thread has gone so far off topic, but it does give you an idea of what's here.

Independents are either liberal or conservative, but won't commit to either party. Independents can't vote in the primaries in many states, so being an Independent is just a facade. A Republican can vote Democrat and vice versa in the General election, so that is no excuse. I laugh when my brother tells me that he is an Independent, because he admits that he has ALWAYS voted Republican, even though he hates both parties. In his state, he cannot vote in the primary. I am very amused when someone tells me that he is an Independent so that he can vote for the one that is best for the country. Like no one else is voting for their country..... I have to call BS on that.

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Independents are either liberal or conservative, but won't commit to either party. Independents can't vote in the primaries in many states, so being an Independent is just a facade. A Republican can vote Democrat and vice versa in the General election, so that is no excuse. I laugh when my brother tells me that he is an Independent, because he admits that he has ALWAYS voted Republican, even though he hates both parties. In his state, he cannot vote in the primary. I am very amused when someone tells me that he is an Independent so that he can vote for the one that is best for the country. Like no one else is voting for their country..... I have to call BS on that.

Like I have said before, I am registered Republican but ONLY to be able to vote in the Republican primary and do so with the hope of voting for the most outlandish one. Naturally, in the General, I go Democrat.

Lots and lots of us Democrats are doing the same thing. It was taught to us in the Democrat Clubs to hopefully screw up the Republicans even more than they are doing to themselves.

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That's your counterargument???? Lame doesn't begin to describe it. Waiting to be called a racist or homophobe.......

Apparently, you have no problem with being called a hypocrite. When a list of total nonsense is match against reality, total nonsense will always prevail in the Republican world. Go Trump Go. We need a leader that excels in total nonsense. The path to the top always starts in the gutter. In Trump case, it will remain in the gutter. The gutter will protected his hair from being messed up by the wind.

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most cultural divisions are fostered by the people themselves in wanting to be with others who are like minded. Perhaps the divides of which you mention are the slums and uber rich enclaves. Putting the blame of such divides on politics and financial elites is removing the lack of motivation and responsibility from those who are "have nots".

There are too many cases of the so-called "down trodden" moving upwards to support your supposition.

Merry Christmas.

Dear Guest: I suggest you go back and re-read what I wrote. but before you do please make sure you have an understanding of the key words in my statement "engineered" "political class" "financial elitist" "individualist" "collectivist". Essentially you got yourself turned around

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