Originally Posted by Guest

As a white man, I sincerely feel sorry for those of you who are white male or female, and for some reason, feel intimidated or "put upon" because of your skin color.

I can honestly say I felt absolutely no different about my skin color under the Obama administration, not intimidated, not uncomfortable, no more than G Bush presidency made me feel less Texan.

I felt just as Christian, just as white as ever.

Nor, did I ever meet anyone who felt intimidated or any different about their skin color because Obama was President.

The media felt obliged to force more race questions that in the past, and pay more attention to anyone not white who was appointed or worked with the President.

So whatever slight felt by white people is unfortunate. Actually, my disagreements with President Obama were on policy and I never thought about his skin color when disagreeing.

In my world, the Presidents race had no affect whatsoever.

In my world, the Presidents policies did have an effect.

Dear Guest:

I agree with your thought process to a point. I am proud to be a white heterosexual male who has followed the rule of law, provided help when needed people of all colors and gender and otherwise have been a respectful human being.

If however the reference is the degree of intimidation one might experience, well then that simply is not going to happen to me and I believe most white males. What you will get is calm thoughtful and productive action

The central issue here, however, is that the progressives, which is pretty much comprised of elitist whites, minority and women believed they had within their grasp control of this nation. They rightly believed Obama would provide and support this movement, and he did in every way imaginable . And that Obama was going to hand that same baton to Hillary. However something happened on the way to the forum and that has jolted progressives into a reality that they can't get their minds around.

Bill O'Reilly made that pitch explaining that this was the root cause for progressives to want to eliminate the Electoral College. While Hillary won 2.--million more votes then Trump it was comprised primarily from voters in California and New York. Trump actually got some 3 million more votes than Hillary when you set aside this heavily concentrated section of the country. Essentially if the nation went by popular vote the election would have been decided primarily by minorities in California and New York and even the most obtuse individual should recognize that the majority was being ignored and that such an outcome is what the founders feared.

Make no mistake about it this anti-white campaign by the left to denigrate white males will continue and it will eventually include white females and then all heterosexuals .

Once again its why I started the thread and why I said it has to stop because if it doesn't this racial divide will get much worse.

The first problem to overcome is to convince progressives to cease yelling racist when the issue of race is raised. Until then we can never have an intelligent and logical conversation on this subject,

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

There is little that is TRULY original thought. Frankly, while ridiculous, MY POST uses the AMERICAN language. If, I had to write my own language to have an ORIGINAL THOUGHT, no one could read it.

RE: THE LIBERALS
You are BLINDED by your thought being controlled by POLITICALLY CORRECT. Frankly, I too am haunted by my previous LIFE EXPERIENCE.

A simple TRICK to suspend your PREJUDICE is to reverse rolls. As a LIBERAL you in unison SCREAM BLACK LIVES MATTER. YOU REFUSE TO CALL THIS WHAT IT IS-RACIST.
Were the people to SCREAM WHITE LIVES MATTER-or to simply whisper it, you would see it clearly for what it is-RACIST.

The same is true of your SOCIALIST VIEWS. The major communist countries of the world CHINA AND RUSSIA are moving toward CAPITALISM and their economies are advancing-TO THE SOCIAL BENEFIT OF THEIR POPULATION.
WE ARE MOVING TOWARD SOCIALISM. WE JUST GOT RID OF A SOCIALIST PRESIDENT. THE VOTERS REJECTED HILLARY WHO IS ACTUALLY LEFT OF OBAMA. DO TELL MICHELLE THAT I AM ONCE AGAIN PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN. CALL ME RACIST, CALL ME DEPLORABLE-I TRULY DO NOT GIVE A ST.

If, your LIBERAL FUR IS ALL RUFFLED-look at east vs west Germany. MR. TRUMP=PUT UP THAT WALL..

This post is so hysterical written by a person who loves her single-payer socialized medicine, commonly known as Medicare, and her social security checks.

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guest:

I agree with your thought process to a point. I am proud to be a white heterosexual male who has followed the rule of law, provided help when needed people of all colors and gender and otherwise have been a respectful human being.

If however the reference is the degree of intimidation one might experience, well then that simply is not going to happen to me and I believe most white males. What you will get is calm thoughtful and productive action

The central issue here, however, is that the progressives, which is pretty much comprised of elitist whites, minority and women believed they had within their grasp control of this nation. They rightly believed Obama would provide and support this movement, and he did in every way imaginable . And that Obama was going to hand that same baton to Hillary. However something happened on the way to the forum and that has jolted progressives into a reality that they can't get their minds around.

Bill O'Reilly made that pitch explaining that this was the root cause for progressives to want to eliminate the Electoral College. While Hillary won 2.--million more votes then Trump it was comprised primarily from voters in California and New York. Trump actually got some 3 million more votes than Hillary when you set aside this heavily concentrated section of the country. Essentially if the nation went by popular vote the election would have been decided primarily by minorities in California and New York and even the most obtuse individual should recognize that the majority was being ignored and that such an outcome is what the founders feared.

Make no mistake about it this anti-white campaign by the left to denigrate white males will continue and it will eventually include white females and then all heterosexuals .

Once again its why I started the thread and why I said it has to stop because if it doesn't this racial divide will get much worse.

The first problem to overcome is to convince progressives to cease yelling racist when the issue of race is raised. Until then we can never have an intelligent and logical conversation on this subject,

Personal Best Regards:

First of all, you present your thoughts as if they were facts, when they are really simply your opinion and nothing more. This entire thesis of yours....

"s that the progressives, which is pretty much comprised of elitist whites, minority and women believed they had within their grasp control of this nation. They rightly believed Obama would provide and support this movement, and he did in every way imaginable . And that Obama was going to hand that same baton to Hillary. However something happened on the way to the forum and that has jolted progressives into a reality that they can't get their minds around.

I reject as false and simply what you preach, BUT that does not make it fact. You are so generalizing all of this subject. You speak of an anti white movement, not anything else as if any thought process was contained in such a movement. I cannot recall since the 60's any movement by those you denigrate that was not based in a factual event that they felt was a personal affront. I have never seen any of the current movements about police, etc speak to whites in general, and CERTAINLY not in anyway as is spoken on this forum relative to anti blacks.

So since we start with a completely different viewpoint and your facts are not my facts, or as I submit, NOBODYS facts we are stymied with the old position of ........depends on what side you are on, but I am not going to try even to change your "facts"...they are not but you will not change your thoughts. I have opposed most of the Obama administration, especially the foreign policy, BUT to say that Obama pursued a racial agenda or anything close, to me,. is ludicrious

You continually point out progressives for their "yelling racist when the issue of race is raised." I can make a strong case using your own words. At the top of the list you "did not plagerize" to start the thread was "Today if I am born white it automatically makes me a racist." as if that were a fact. See that is how you feel for some reason. I have never felt that way in my life, neighbors even of blacks mistreated who have been on the streets demonstrating do not feel that way, but I submit that you feel that way, to you that is a fact. It is NOT

You lay ALL the blame and even suggest that the first step is up to progressives. i submit this is not an issue to be laid at the feet of any ONE SINGLE unit of people and identyfying one unit makes the situation worse not better.

YES.....progressives, liberals, Democrats have used the black population for years. Trust me, THAT is the reason I left the democratic party, but today ....the right, Republicans, conservatives bow down to groups as well (NRA is just one)

You want to blame progressives and absolve conservatives, then you cannot be a party to the solution, because your mind is made up. On here, one thing that a poster really hates is quotas. i do also, but see the reason for them...hell, I was there watching the reason happening. What happened in the past 50 years or so since them.....BOTH liberals and conservatives identified blacks as a voting block and not a group of americans who need fair opportunity.

Simple I know, but I am not that smart and that is how I see it. There is NO political solution and looking for one is a futile task and simply makes it worse. I am not wise enough to know the answer...it has to come from all of our hearts. You blame a political movement....that political movement blames the opposite (and frankly, with good reason....see birther, etc)

Originally Posted by Guest

Amazing. We have two reasonable longtime posters taking points from a plagerized site without even reading it. They seem to agree with the site that you are either on one fringe or the other. Folks, there is a middle ground.

Then, to make it worse, these two fine longtime posters are aligning themselves with the fringe right like Don Baldwin and MDLNB.

Being a centrist is not being wishy washy. It is seeing some of both sides. You both have some social welfare ideas that are good. You both have some conservative ideas that are good.

Don't let the fringe theories of some sway you into being fringe thinkers. Remember the fringe followers is what got Hitler appointed as chancellor of Germany in 1933.

First of all I am JEWISH. Secondly in high school one of my friends parents were both Holocaust survivors tattoo numbers included, I regret that I never asked them to tell me about it and the subject never came up or perhaps they ducked the subject.

It do recall, my friends father telling about going to a Hitler speech and being caught up in the mass pro-Hitler HYSTERIA. Hitler like OBAMA was a great speaker-he could hypnotize a large group all at once. As my friends father told the story, it was not until he was almost home that he realized that Hitler was talking about hating Jews and he was jewish.

Hitler was appointed out of desperation and hate. I AM A TRUMP SUPPORTER. Hillary tried to harness BLACK RACISM as OBAMA DID BEFORE HER and SUCCESS ENVY again as OBAMA DID BEFORE HER. Hillary tried to ACCUSE Trump of a lack of respect for women. HOW THE HILLARY SUPPORTERS DID NOT NOTICE THAT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION HAS WOMEN IN TOP LEADERSHIP POSITIONS-
AND HIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER WAS A WOMAN.

The American people have elected TRUMP. He has not even taken office and the LIBERALS are already accusing him of things he has not even done. While giving the CLINTON MOB a pass on CRIMES for which if you/we had done we would be in jail-AND WE WOULD DESERVE TO BE IN JAIL.

PUT DOWN YOUR COLORING BOOKS AND YOUR PLAYDOUGH
AND SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUPS.

Originally Posted by billethkid

You, and at times others have me at a disadvantage. Somehow you have my ID but all I ever see is "guest".

Curmudgeon? Disappoints? Says what self appointed authoritarian? You forgot to state as measured by what. Opposing commentary? Stating what one believes/opines? Does not fall in line with what another THINKS or tauts as correct or superior or non-curmudgeon!!

I would emphasize to the administrators that if some can see the identities then we should all be able to see the identities......or not.

My positions do not change per the identity shown or not.
I would like to have the ability to differentiate and/or categorize as others are able.

Hey billie. All you have to do is download the app called Tapatalk and you can see everyone's name on the political forum. The admins can't figure out how to fix it. I don't have Tapatalk for that purpose. I simply have it because I don't own a computer and a smart phone works best with apps. Totv doesn't come in app form therefore... Peace out!

Sent from my SM-N910R4 using Tapatalk

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guest:

I agree with your thought process to a point. I am proud to be a white heterosexual male who has followed the rule of law, provided help when needed people of all colors and gender and otherwise have been a respectful human being.

If however the reference is the degree of intimidation one might experience, well then that simply is not going to happen to me and I believe most white males. What you will get is calm thoughtful and productive action

The central issue here, however, is that the progressives, which is pretty much comprised of elitist whites, minority and women believed they had within their grasp control of this nation. They rightly believed Obama would provide and support this movement, and he did in every way imaginable . And that Obama was going to hand that same baton to Hillary. However something happened on the way to the forum and that has jolted progressives into a reality that they can't get their minds around.

Bill O'Reilly made that pitch explaining that this was the root cause for progressives to want to eliminate the Electoral College. While Hillary won 2.--million more votes then Trump it was comprised primarily from voters in California and New York. Trump actually got some 3 million more votes than Hillary when you set aside this heavily concentrated section of the country. Essentially if the nation went by popular vote the election would have been decided primarily by minorities in California and New York and even the most obtuse individual should recognize that the majority was being ignored and that such an outcome is what the founders feared.

Make no mistake about it this anti-white campaign by the left to denigrate white males will continue and it will eventually include white females and then all heterosexuals .

Once again its why I started the thread and why I said it has to stop because if it doesn't this racial divide will get much worse.

The first problem to overcome is to convince progressives to cease yelling racist when the issue of race is raised. Until then we can never have an intelligent and logical conversation on this subject,

Personal Best Regards:

Whenever we try to have an intelligent and logical discussion they HAVE to scream racism...because it's ALL they've got. Yes, a merit based system IS racist, because they can never make the cut.

Originally Posted by Guest

First of all, you present your thoughts as if they were facts, when they are really simply your opinion and nothing more. This entire thesis of yours....

"s that the progressives, which is pretty much comprised of elitist whites, minority and women believed they had within their grasp control of this nation. They rightly believed Obama would provide and support this movement, and he did in every way imaginable . And that Obama was going to hand that same baton to Hillary. However something happened on the way to the forum and that has jolted progressives into a reality that they can't get their minds around.

I reject as false and simply what you preach, BUT that does not make it fact. You are so generalizing all of this subject. You speak of an anti white movement, not anything else as if any thought process was contained in such a movement. I cannot recall since the 60's any movement by those you denigrate that was not based in a factual event that they felt was a personal affront. I have never seen any of the current movements about police, etc speak to whites in general, and CERTAINLY not in anyway as is spoken on this forum relative to anti blacks.

So since we start with a completely different viewpoint and your facts are not my facts, or as I submit, NOBODYS facts we are stymied with the old position of ........depends on what side you are on, but I am not going to try even to change your "facts"...they are not but you will not change your thoughts. I have opposed most of the Obama administration, especially the foreign policy, BUT to say that Obama pursued a racial agenda or anything close, to me,. is ludicrious

You continually point out progressives for their "yelling racist when the issue of race is raised." I can make a strong case using your own words. At the top of the list you "did not plagerize" to start the thread was "Today if I am born white it automatically makes me a racist." as if that were a fact. See that is how you feel for some reason. I have never felt that way in my life, neighbors even of blacks mistreated who have been on the streets demonstrating do not feel that way, but I submit that you feel that way, to you that is a fact. It is NOT

You lay ALL the blame and even suggest that the first step is up to progressives. i submit this is not an issue to be laid at the feet of any ONE SINGLE unit of people and identyfying one unit makes the situation worse not better.

YES.....progressives, liberals, Democrats have used the black population for years. Trust me, THAT is the reason I left the democratic party, but today ....the right, Republicans, conservatives bow down to groups as well (NRA is just one)

You want to blame progressives and absolve conservatives, then you cannot be a party to the solution, because your mind is made up. On here, one thing that a poster really hates is quotas. i do also, but see the reason for them...hell, I was there watching the reason happening. What happened in the past 50 years or so since them.....BOTH liberals and conservatives identified blacks as a voting block and not a group of americans who need fair opportunity.

Simple I know, but I am not that smart and that is how I see it. There is NO political solution and looking for one is a futile task and simply makes it worse. I am not wise enough to know the answer...it has to come from all of our hearts. You blame a political movement....that political movement blames the opposite (and frankly, with good reason....see birther, etc)

Dear Guest:

Okey dokey

Personal Best regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

First of all I am JEWISH. Secondly in high school one of my friends parents were both Holocaust survivors tattoo numbers included, I regret that I never asked them to tell me about it and the subject never came up or perhaps they ducked the subject.

It do recall, my friends father telling about going to a Hitler speech and being caught up in the mass pro-Hitler HYSTERIA. Hitler like OBAMA was a great speaker-he could hypnotize a large group all at once. As my friends father told the story, it was not until he was almost home that he realized that Hitler was talking about hating Jews and he was jewish.

Hitler was appointed out of desperation and hate. I AM A TRUMP SUPPORTER. Hillary tried to harness BLACK RACISM as OBAMA DID BEFORE HER and SUCCESS ENVY again as OBAMA DID BEFORE HER. Hillary tried to ACCUSE Trump of a lack of respect for women. HOW THE HILLARY SUPPORTERS DID NOT NOTICE THAT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION HAS WOMEN IN TOP LEADERSHIP POSITIONS-
AND HIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER WAS A WOMAN.

The American people have elected TRUMP. He has not even taken office and the LIBERALS are already accusing him of things he has not even done. While giving the CLINTON MOB a pass on CRIMES for which if you/we had done we would be in jail-AND WE WOULD DESERVE TO BE IN JAIL.

PUT DOWN YOUR COLORING BOOKS AND YOUR PLAYDOUGH
AND SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUPS.

Dear Guest:

I am taken with your family story. This is the danger facing this nation today. This cultural divide widens and its being directed by people who have their sights set on a world order. These same people have to create confusion and chaos . they have kill nationalism. that is one reason they like open borders and allow people into a nation who have no intention of assimilation. Soros talks about it, Obama talks about Hillary talks about it. [I]t is labeled globalism

This thread is just a tiny reference of this bigger picture but you and I will get nowhere with our pleas because a serious person would ask why All you get from a number of posters on these pages are rants, ridicule denials essentially useless chatter

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guest:

I am taken with your family story. This is the danger facing this nation today. This cultural divide widens and its being directed by people who have their sights set on a world order. These same people have to create confusion and chaos . they have kill nationalism. that is one reason they like open borders and allow people into a nation who have no intention of assimilation. Soros talks about it, Obama talks about Hillary talks about it. [I]t is labeled globalism

This thread is just a tiny reference of this bigger picture but you and I will get nowhere with our pleas because a serious person would ask why All you get from a number of posters on these pages are rants, ridicule denials essentially useless chatter

Personal Best Regards:

I agree with your post from beginning to end. Too many people either content in keeping their heads in the sand, or distracting themselves with nonsense and as a result unable to see the forest for the trees. Thanks to you and the poster you reference for your thoughtful posts on this forum.

Originally Posted by Guest

First of all, you present your thoughts as if they were facts, when they are really simply your opinion and nothing more.

Other than adding his plagiarism and use of fake news with no citations/links...you've summed up Rubithecon perfectly.

Angry White men managed to save the World not just once but twice . And how do they get paid back ------by those generations they saved pay them back by attacking them and calling them deplorables who are irredeemable .

Originally Posted by Guest

Angry White men managed to save the World not just once but twice . And how do they get paid back ------by those generations they saved pay them back by attacking them and calling them deplorables who are irredeemable .

White men created "Western Civilization". And now the minorities and women are trying their best to destroy it. You're destroying what ALLOWED you to protest. You'll be replacing it with the 3rd world.

Originally Posted by Guest

White men created "Western Civilization". And now the minorities and women are trying their best to destroy it. You're destroying what ALLOWED you to protest. You'll be replacing it with the 3rd world.

Dear Guest:

The history of mankind would be too complicated and hence impossible to discuss on these pages but you are right as history recorded it. However the left continues in their pursuit to re-write or distort history. The news for the last 4-5 years is replete with stories of colleges and universities where the classics are no longer taught because they have been viewed as written by angry white men. In turn the colleges and universities teach cultural diversity which begs the question then why doesn't it have a balanced approach to white history.

Too many on the left ignore the imperfection of the human race and never acknowledge that despite those imperfection humans manage to correct such wrongs.

Which also begs the question since all humans are imperfect and have the potential for wrong why would the left push for secularism? It would seem that solely because of these imperfection the need for God would be apparent rather than being ruled by man.

The congregation in Charleston. SC that experienced the death of some nine members of their church because of color is a prime example. These people of God reacted in the most civilized of manner, forgiving the man who killed their friends and offering prayers. What a display of courage, understanding and maturity. What a lesson for the rest of us.

The national conversation should be on why we are more alike and the need and benefit of unity.

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guest:

The history of mankind would be too complicated and hence impossible to discuss on these pages but you are right as history recorded it. However the left continues in their pursuit to re-write or distort history. The news for the last 4-5 years is replete with stories of colleges and universities where the classics are no longer taught because they have been viewed as written by angry white men. In turn the colleges and universities teach cultural diversity which begs the question then why doesn't it have a balanced approach to white history.

Too many on the left ignore the imperfection of the human race and never acknowledge that despite those imperfection humans manage to correct such wrongs.

Which also begs the question since all humans are imperfect and have the potential for wrong why would the left push for secularism? It would seem that solely because of these imperfection the need for God would be apparent rather than being ruled by man.

The congregation in Charleston. SC that experienced the death of some nine members of their church because of color is a prime example. These people of God reacted in the most civilized of manner, forgiving the man who killed their friends and offering prayers. What a display of courage, understanding and maturity. What a lesson for the rest of us.

The national conversation should be on why we are more alike and the need and benefit of unity.

Personal Best Regards:

I'm so tired of this being brought up as an "example" of how forgiving black people are. IF it even happened as we're being told it did.

This is a "one-off" event. For the most part, blacks are the racists. They HATE white people. They blame white people. You're looking at the 1% and extrapolating it to ALL blacks. 99% of blacks would rather have you dead. Most blacks live in inner city squalor and violence. ALL of their OWN doing. Those neighborhoods didn't look like that when they moved in! White people didn't trash them. Blacks did...as they ALWAYS do. I can find a WHOLE LOT of white people who treat blacks VERY well...so it's more than even...ok? Stop bringing this up as a common occurrence when it isn't.

The national conversation NEEDS to be...what do we do with another species that we can't assimilate? We've tried, we really have, we even let the nation slide from #1 to #25 doing it...but it didn't work...anywhere. Nowhere on the planet have blacks been a success. It's time to quit throwing good time/money after bad. We need to face the fact that they're not like us.

Racial HONESTY needs to be the national conversation. We are NOT alike physically AND mentally. Why would you think they're just like us inside when they're so different outside? We're not the same species.

I have another thought and these days when I have one I best write it down before I forget "ah what was I saying"

How many of you recall the Disney Production of : Song of the South" , a story related by Uncle Remus to a group of children of the adventures of Brér Rabbit and his enemies Brér Fox and Brér Bear?

I had watch that movie as a kid and wondered why with all the Disney Production revivals being brought back to the movies and television, why not my favorite Song of the South. Well the answer came with a news article explaining that the left viewed the depiction of "Uncle Remus" as racially offense and that ended any chance of it be revived.

I viewed that character as a loving old uncle. Uncle Remus crossed racial lines brought us all together. It made me mad that hateful people had destroyed something good and memorial

Personal Best Regards: