Originally Posted by Guest

You can't see the forest for the trees... and I am no longer going to even try.

Did you ever consider that you might be wrong? You are, but did you ever consider it?

Originally Posted by Guest

You can't see the forest for the trees... and I am no longer going to even try.

If the post was wrong, then correct it. If you can't, then step back and think about why you can't correct it. Maybe that poster is correct.

Funny, I was raised in a liberal household and was a child of the sixties. I consider myself to be about as liberal as one can be. That being said, I have never taken a dime from the government that I wasn't entitled to; I raised my daughter to be moral, ethical and to think for herself; I have worked hard most of my life; paid my taxes and bills. I've marched in a few protests -- Civil Rights and equal rights. According to folks here, I am at best naive and more than likely a freeloading fool and a total idiot. If I or my liberal friends were to say half the things about TV conservatives that you seem to think is perfectly acceptable here, we'd be sued for libel and slander and rightfully so.

I don't like Ann Coulter. Never have, never will. She's a mean-spirited hack to my way of thinking. I wouldn't waste my time protesting what she says or writes. There are more important issues in this world today.

I certainly don't agree with everything Obama has done or even tried to do but there have been some real accomplishments. I'm not thrilled with the latest Iran agreement and my gut feeling is that it will ultimately be changed. At least I hope it will.

I'm not a Hillary fan. As a matter of fact, I can safely I don't like anyone on either side. This election is looking to be a royal disaster.

I do believe in the Black Lives Matter campaign. Some police practices do need to change. People should be. Treated equally. Until they are, police are going to be viewed with distrust and young men are going to needlessly die.

ISIS scares me. Muslims do not. I flinch when I hear anyone spew hatred whether a Fundamentalist, a Neo Nazi, an Islamic extremist and even some of the posters here.

But why all the stereotyping of liberals? Why the constant name calling? Does it really help get your point across? Why insult someone just because they have differing views? Do you really think it makes you or your cause sound better or morally right? I don't get it.

Red

Its not about the poster....its about fatigue.

I know what my positions are, I admit to being to the left of most people on this site. On some issues I lean right on others left, I vote for Democrat's and on occasion Republican's. Social issues, left...financial issues, lean right...immigration hard right.

I love discussing politics but in a civil manner, I used to be able to do that here but things have changed. Anybody with just a hint of left slammed with the left "insult".

Yes I went to the protest yesterday because Ann Coulter made an anti-semitic remark....flat out anti-semitic. And that I cannot abide.... I have seen the ovens.
Its NOT a political issue to me....not everything should be political.

In my childhood I was subject to religious intolerance, something that sticks with me to this day. Christians were not very nice to Catholics when I was growing up.

I am not a lefty but you all have to label me.... I am tired.
I am tired of the name calling.

Just because I have different positions than some of you doesn't make me stupid, ignorant, a moron or any other insult you can hurl at me.

I have Talk of the Villages fatigue which I fear is fatal. Shot 89 on Glenview this am I think I will spend more time on my golf game.

But if someone ever wants to just talk politics over the cold one of your choice that might be fun.

Originally Posted by Guest

Funny, I was raised in a liberal household and was a child of the sixties. I consider myself to be about as liberal as one can be. That being said, I have never taken a dime from the government that I wasn't entitled to; I raised my daughter to be moral, ethical and to think for herself; I have worked hard most of my life; paid my taxes and bills. I've marched in a few protests -- Civil Rights and equal rights. According to folks here, I am at best naive and more than likely a freeloading fool and a total idiot. If I or my liberal friends were to say half the things about TV conservatives that you seem to think is perfectly acceptable here, we'd be sued for libel and slander and rightfully so.

I don't like Ann Coulter. Never have, never will. She's a mean-spirited hack to my way of thinking. I wouldn't waste my time protesting what she says or writes. There are more important issues in this world today.

I certainly don't agree with everything Obama has done or even tried to do but there have been some real accomplishments. I'm not thrilled with the latest Iran agreement and my gut feeling is that it will ultimately be changed. At least I hope it will.

I'm not a Hillary fan. As a matter of fact, I can safely I don't like anyone on either side. This election is looking to be a royal disaster.

I do believe in the Black Lives Matter campaign. Some police practices do need to change. People should be. Treated equally. Until they are, police are going to be viewed with distrust and young men are going to needlessly die.

ISIS scares me. Muslims do not. I flinch when I hear anyone spew hatred whether a Fundamentalist, a Neo Nazi, an Islamic extremist and even some of the posters here.

But why all the stereotyping of liberals? Why the constant name calling? Does it really help get your point across? Why insult someone just because they have differing views? Do you really think it makes you or your cause sound better or morally right? I don't get it.

Red

I have Talk of the Villages fatigue.....

Originally Posted by Guest

You can't see the forest for the trees... and I am no longer going to even try.

Instead of leaving the discussion, how about if you give us five examples of people or organizations, anywhere in the world, that you deem as genuinely evil, and a potential threat to our collective well being.

Maybe we can begin to agree on something but would like to see your list first

Originally Posted by Guest

Funny, I was raised in a liberal household and was a child of the sixties. I consider myself to be about as liberal as one can be. That being said, I have never taken a dime from the government that I wasn't entitled to; I raised my daughter to be moral, ethical and to think for herself; I have worked hard most of my life; paid my taxes and bills. I've marched in a few protests -- Civil Rights and equal rights. According to folks here, I am at best naive and more than likely a freeloading fool and a total idiot. If I or my liberal friends were to say half the things about TV conservatives that you seem to think is perfectly acceptable here, we'd be sued for libel and slander and rightfully so.

I don't like Ann Coulter. Never have, never will. She's a mean-spirited hack to my way of thinking. I wouldn't waste my time protesting what she says or writes I wouldn't waste my time protesting what she says or writes. There are more important issues in this world today.

I certainly don't agree with everything Obama has done or even tried to do but there have been some real accomplishments. I'm not thrilled with the latest Iran agreement and my gut feeling is that it will ultimately be changed. At least I hope it will.

I'm not a Hillary fan. As a matter of fact, I can safely I don't like anyone on either side. This election is looking to be a royal disaster.

I do believe in the Black Lives Matter campaign. Some police practices do need to change. People should be. Treated equally. Until they are, police are going to be viewed with distrust and young men are going to needlessly die.

ISIS scares me. Muslims do not. I flinch when I hear anyone spew hatred whether a Fundamentalist, a Neo Nazi, an Islamic extremist and even some of the posters here.

But why all the stereotyping of liberals? Why the constant name calling? Does it really help get your point across? Why insult someone just because they have differing views? Do you really think it makes you or your cause sound better or morally right? I don't get it.

Red

I have never taken a dime from the government that I wasn't entitled to Key term of a liberal = "that I wasn't entitled to

If I or my liberal friends were to say half the things about TV conservatives that you seem to think is perfectly acceptable here,
Apparently, you haven't been following the political forum at all. One of the liberal favorites is that vulgar term used to describe all conservatives "tea ******." And there are others. And these are not in response to any conservative poster name calling. So, your indignant attitude doesn't ring true.

"I wouldn't waste my time protesting what she says or writes" So, you weren't one of the protesters at B&N yesterday?

"I do believe in the Black Lives Matter campaign." Then you every bit as naive as has been suggested. Because they are a radical group of malcontents that only serve to cause dissension, lead by paid agitators. Police have a hard enough job as it is, without false accusations of brutality. The protests all stem from defending thugs and criminals that deserve to be put down. The only reason their families care is they know they can extort large amounts of money. Most of them probably were relieved that their family member was out of their hair.

Yes, now that you explained it all in the form of a persecuted victim, I have to agree with the poster that said you were "naive." But, you are not by yourself, look at how many folks voted for Obama, and will probably double down on dumb by voting for Hilary.....if she isn't in jail by then.

Originally Posted by Guest

Its not about the poster....its about fatigue.

I know what my positions are, I admit to being to the left of most people on this site. On some issues I lean right on others left, I vote for Democrat's and on occasion Republican's. Social issues, left...financial issues, lean right...immigration hard right.

I love discussing politics but in a civil manner, I used to be able to do that here but things have changed. Anybody with just a hint of left slammed with the left "insult".

Yes I went to the protest yesterday because Ann Coulter made an anti-semitic remark....flat out anti-semitic. And that I cannot abide.... I have seen the ovens.
Its NOT a political issue to me....not everything should be political.

In my childhood I was subject to religious intolerance, something that sticks with me to this day. Christians were not very nice to Catholics when I was growing up.

I am not a lefty but you all have to label me.... I am tired.
I am tired of the name calling.

Just because I have different positions than some of you doesn't make me stupid, ignorant, a moron or any other insult you can hurl at me.

I have Talk of the Villages fatigue which I fear is fatal. Shot 89 on Glenview this am I think I will spend more time on my golf game.

But if someone ever wants to just talk politics over the cold one of your choice that might be fun.

If you weren't protesting at B&N, why are you on here complaining about being the victim?

Originally Posted by Guest

Funny, I was raised in a liberal household and was a child of the sixties. I consider myself to be about as liberal as one can be. That being said, I have never taken a dime from the government that I wasn't entitled to; I raised my daughter to be moral, ethical and to think for herself; I have worked hard most of my life; paid my taxes and bills. I've marched in a few protests -- Civil Rights and equal rights. According to folks here, I am at best naive and more than likely a freeloading fool and a total idiot. If I or my liberal friends were to say half the things about TV conservatives that you seem to think is perfectly acceptable here, we'd be sued for libel and slander and rightfully so.

I don't like Ann Coulter. Never have, never will. She's a mean-spirited hack to my way of thinking. I wouldn't waste my time protesting what she says or writes. There are more important issues in this world today.

I certainly don't agree with everything Obama has done or even tried to do but there have been some real accomplishments. I'm not thrilled with the latest Iran agreement and my gut feeling is that it will ultimately be changed. At least I hope it will.

I'm not a Hillary fan. As a matter of fact, I can safely I don't like anyone on either side. This election is looking to be a royal disaster.

I do believe in the Black Lives Matter campaign. Some police practices do need to change. People should be. Treated equally. Until they are, police are going to be viewed with distrust and young men are going to needlessly die.

ISIS scares me. Muslims do not. I flinch when I hear anyone spew hatred whether a Fundamentalist, a Neo Nazi, an Islamic extremist and even some of the posters here.

But why all the stereotyping of liberals? Why the constant name calling? Does it really help get your point across? Why insult someone just because they have differing views? Do you really think it makes you or your cause sound better or morally right? I don't get it.

Red

We might agree on a lot except for the Black Lives Matter movement. I also agree that police need to be diligent and fair, except I believe it should apply to ALL skin colors.

Where we disagree the most is your comment, in which you imply that name calling does not exist from the left.

I tell you, and while I do not anymore, I used to check.....most, I am talking 75/80 % of barbs AT liberals are a response from a liberal who

Prefaced it with "teabaging" and then followed with "racist" and/or "bigot". Another favorite suffix is "fagot"

That is the favorite, although not restricted to that, followed many times by a challenge of some sort.

I point no fingers at you, but those you defend do not deserve it. That group, and they are liberals have driven many many folks off this board, and they take great pride in that.

Originally Posted by Guest

We might agree on a lot except for the Black Lives Matter movement. I also agree that police need to be diligent and fair, except I believe it should apply to ALL skin colors.

Where we disagree the most is your comment, in which you imply that name calling does not exist from the left.

I tell you, and while I do not anymore, I used to check.....most, I am talking 75/80 % of barbs AT liberals are a response from a liberal who

Prefaced it with "teabaging" and then followed with "racist" and/or "bigot". Another favorite suffix is "fagot"

That is the favorite, although not restricted to that, followed many times by a challenge of some sort.

I point no fingers at you, but those you defend do not deserve it. That group, and they are liberals have driven many many folks off this board, and they take great pride in that.

1. yes, I've taken money from the government. Bet you have, too. I've received. Tax refunds, unemployment and even some money from a victims' relief fund. Next year I'll probably start collecting Social Security. These are all monies to which I was or will be entitled. How about you?

2. Yeah, I've seen some of the Tea Party name calling and I don't like it, either. Regardless, the vast majority who post here are conservatives and Republicans, so my issue is with them since I am a liberal, have been painted with a very broad brush and I have yet to resort to calling anyone here a name. Thought it a couple of times, but haven't said it.

3. I really don't care who started the Black Lives Matters movement. What does matter to me and should to you is the simple fact that young men of color are more likely to be stopped by police when they have done nothing wrong or, at the most, committed a minor infraction for which a young, white male would not be stopped. Justice, including those who work for the police department, should be colorblind. If you wouldn't stop someone white for doing whatever, you shouldn't stop someone black for the same thing. There is something terribly wrong when a father has to sit down and tell his son how to act when stopped by a police officer because the father is afraid his son will be killed if he acts like a normal kid. I never had to tell my daughter how to behave other than the very basic be respectful and polite. Did you? Ask a black man the instructions he feels he has to give his son, how often he has been stopped for no reason other than for being black in a white neighborhood. And even someone who has committed a crime deserves better than dying while at the mercy of the police. So, yes, I do believe in BLM and will continue to do so. It is more than a way to get money. Monetary damages may help get the message across that a certain behavior is intolerable but it certainly doesn't pay for the loss of a child.

And, no, I wasn't at the protest. I did some work in the morning, played bridge with my favorite partner in the afternoon, shed some tears at the end of the Honor Flight ceremony at Colony, enjoyed a lovely evening with friends.

Red

Originally Posted by Guest

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I do believe in the Black Lives Matter campaign. Some police practices do need to change. People should be. Treated equally. Until they are, police are going to be viewed with distrust and young men are going to needlessly die.

ISIS scares me. Muslims do not. I flinch when I hear anyone spew hatred whether a Fundamentalist, a Neo Nazi, an Islamic extremist and even some of the posters here.

But why all the stereotyping of liberals? Why the constant name calling? Does it really help get your point across? Why insult someone just because they have differing views? Do you really think it makes you or your cause sound better or morally right? I don't get it.

Red

Couple of responses to your post ..

Regarding your support of Black Lives Matter ... have you seen the various videos where BLM supporters are marching through the streets chanting death to cops (actually more vulgar than that)?? Do you "support" that ...ie the call for killing cops? Don't you find a implied if not obvious connection that, in the wake of BLM, a number of cops were in fact killed across the country??

Do you "support" BLM storming the stage and shutting down the comments of Bernie, O'Malley and others? Do you think that crime is "random" across all areas or highly concentrated in black areas which just might have something to do why the get more police attention. BLM is nothing more than another hard left, revolutionary group. I'm sure it has ties to radical groups across the country and would love for it to be investigated but so far no one in Congress has the courage to do the obvious.

The stereotyping is self induced because, in many cases, liberals seem to support some genuinely looney (by common sense standards at least) positions. In the past, it was impolite to call it out. But, after a while, it becomes a target rich environment pretty much impossible to ignore. It's also destroying the country which is what makes it serious. I could go through the examples but I don't have the time right now.

Originally Posted by Guest

Couple of responses to your post ..

Regarding your support of Black Lives Matter ... have you seen the various videos where BLM supporters are marching through the streets chanting death to cops (actually more vulgar than that)?? Do you "support" that ...ie the call for killing cops? Don't you find a implied if not obvious connection that, in the wake of BLM, a number of cops were in fact killed across the country??

Do you "support" BLM storming the stage and shutting down the comments of Bernie, O'Malley and others? Do you think that crime is "random" across all areas or highly concentrated in black areas which just might have something to do why the get more police attention. BLM is nothing more than another hard left, revolutionary group. I'm sure it has ties to radical groups across the country and would love for it to be investigated but so far no one in Congress has the courage to do the obvious.

The stereotyping is self induced because, in many cases, liberals seem to support some genuinely looney (by common sense standards at least) positions. In the past, it was impolite to call it out. But, after a while, it becomes a target rich environment pretty much impossible to ignore. It's also destroying the country which is what makes it serious. I could go through the examples but I don't have the time right now.

Originally Posted by Guest

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3. I really don't care who started the Black Lives Matters movement. What does matter to me and should to you is the simple fact that young men of color are more likely to be stopped by police when they have done nothing wrong or, at the most, committed a minor infraction for which a young, white male would not be stopped. Justice, including those who work for the police department, should be colorblind. If you wouldn't stop someone white for doing whatever, you shouldn't stop someone black for the same thing. There is something terribly wrong when a father has to sit down and tell his son how to act when stopped by a police officer because the father is afraid his son will be killed if he acts like a normal kid. I never had to tell my daughter how to behave other than the very basic be respectful and polite. Did you? Ask a black man the instructions he feels he has to give his son, how often he has been stopped for no reason other than for being black in a white neighborhood. And even someone who has committed a crime deserves better than dying while at the mercy of the police. So, yes, I do believe in BLM and will continue to do so. It is more than a way to get money. Monetary damages may help get the message across that a certain behavior is intolerable but it certainly doesn't pay for the loss of a child....
Red

The primary problem is there are not that many fathers left any more in the black community, thanks to a destructive welfare state. Thus, no one is getting the advice or instructions in the first place.

The reason police tend to be more wary of young black kids vs young white kids is resoundingly simple ... the black kids tend to be more violent and commit more crimes. We can argue about why that is, but it is a fact. Do you want to dispute that?

BLM is not a solution to anything when you think about it ... except it does tend to make white liberals who generally live in safety/comfort feel better about themselves. Just my opinion ...

Originally Posted by Guest

1. yes, I've taken money from the government. Bet you have, too. I've received. Tax refunds, unemployment and even some money from a victims' relief fund. Next year I'll probably start collecting Social Security. These are all monies to which I was or will be entitled. How about you?

2. Yeah, I've seen some of the Tea Party name calling and I don't like it, either. Regardless, the vast majority who post here are conservatives and Republicans, so my issue is with them since I am a liberal, have been painted with a very broad brush and I have yet to resort to calling anyone here a name. Thought it a couple of times, but haven't said it.

3. I really don't care who started the Black Lives Matters movement. What does matter to me and should to you is the simple fact that young men of color are more likely to be stopped by police when they have done nothing wrong or, at the most, committed a minor infraction for which a young, white male would not be stopped. Justice, including those who work for the police department, should be colorblind. If you wouldn't stop someone white for doing whatever, you shouldn't stop someone black for the same thing. There is something terribly wrong when a father has to sit down and tell his son how to act when stopped by a police officer because the father is afraid his son will be killed if he acts like a normal kid. I never had to tell my daughter how to behave other than the very basic be respectful and polite. Did you? Ask a black man the instructions he feels he has to give his son, how often he has been stopped for no reason other than for being black in a white neighborhood. And even someone who has committed a crime deserves better than dying while at the mercy of the police. So, yes, I do believe in BLM and will continue to do so. It is more than a way to get money. Monetary damages may help get the message across that a certain behavior is intolerable but it certainly doesn't pay for the loss of a child.

And, no, I wasn't at the protest. I did some work in the morning, played bridge with my favorite partner in the afternoon, shed some tears at the end of the Honor Flight ceremony at Colony, enjoyed a lovely evening with friends.

Red

I totally respect that you do not care what philosophy is behind the Black Lives Matter Movement.

I do, however, and feel our country is being over run with socialism, communism and marxist ideas.

This movement was started by one Alicia Garza, who is a community organizer and when she began the movement she was acting Special Projects Director for the National Domestic Workers Alliance whose members are nannies, housekeepers, caregivers and other domestic workers.

Her inspiration comes from the Black Liberation Army which was the entity once called the Black Panthers. She is inspired by the words of Assata Shakur who killed a New Jersey State Trooper and is in exile in Cuba, a country who has accepted her and whom she loves and has proclaimed it as "One of the Largest, Most Resistant and Most Courageous Palenques (Maroon Camps) that has ever existed on the Face of this Planet."

She has been involved in extortion, robbery and murder.

This, to me, is not the basis for any kind of positive movement in our country. She has proclaimed for years her hatred for police and of course offers no sympathy for the execution of police officers in our country.

If those words do not give you a chill of fear, then maybe I am the one who is out of touch.

I am a conservative, but not one who wants us to go back to the fifties. Not one who wants anyone of any color to be abused by police. Not one who is blind to many injustices in our country. Not a bigot and not a racist. I actually marched with MLK in Philadelphia during a short visit he made there and believe in my heart of hearts he would be out raged at what is being done in the name of justice.

I do not see any of this as justice. I see it as a marxist take over of our streets and is simply the first step to a war internal in this country,not predicated on seeking justice but predicated on hate and nothing else.

These people do not get my respect in anyway shape or form. You may feel that they are wonderful folks but they are using and fueling hate in this country.

The federal government has investigated any shootings involved and when and if they find reason, there is justice served.

Interesting, if you bother to read a little on this subject that you support so strongly, you will find that the drowning out of the blacks kill blacks cry that many have tried but get drowned out...those people are accurate.

I will leave you a link that I think is simple and clear, although based on your comments, I doubt you will read it, nor will many progressives....

"But Hubbard has plenty of misses. I don't understand why we can't talk about black-on-black crime and police brutality at the same time. Why do we have to treat the two issues separately? It's like saying that if blacks stopped killing blacks tomorrow then police brutality will suddenly stop. We know that's not the case."

James E. Causey - A critic of Black Lives Matter simplifies a complex problem

NO....I will not idolize these people that you idolize. The Democrat party is in the process of being taken over by a socialist, marxist movement. We know they always fail, and we know they always entail bloodshed and killing and we know that countries involved never come back, so NO....I will not idolize these people, not will I be silent about a progressive movement that, in my opinion, has been hijacked by these groups.

I said in an earlier post that I could agree with you on many things.

I take that back. If this kind of movement is supported by you, then we could agree on nothing. We are a country of law and the law works. Let us give voice to the law and the law being administered justly. Lets remember that all the heroes being made by police killings were either criminals in the past or in the commission of a crime.

I am unable to support the people or movement that you support.

These are links to Wiki on some of my comments but more available. I recall in 2008 hearing how the Black Panthers were not good but not to worry, they \have no involvement in Democratic party politics and now I hear how they are in fact supported but with different names.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assata_Shakur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Garza

And I would be curious to hear what you respect about all these groups and what makes them so attractive ?